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All Forum Posts by: Amit Sharma

Amit Sharma has started 1 posts and replied 7 times.

@James Ohliger
I came back to the forum for a similar matter at hand. 

Perhaps I'll search more on the limited information I currently have. here goes : 

I learnt that people establish a "land trust" , and buy the property under the trust. - where in initially they as individuals are the trustees, and later they simply change (not sure if that's quit claim) the trustee to LLC.

My current understanding is : One gets cheaper mortgage, LLC owned outcome, No "due at sale" clause is triggered. Based on your question - I'll also explore on changing the trustee (Individual <>LLC) ...instead of the quit claim Individual <> LLC.

I may not be directly answering all your questions, but thought of sharing a different perspective I am learning. 
This isn't legal advice obviously. Something to explore. 

Thank you @Jay Fradd . That is a very usable detail. 

@Sean Wilson"That AIRDNA ranking"  it was for me. I did a deeper dive in AirDNA and I found signs of what you mention here. Appreciate the info

Quote from @Ryan Moyer:
Quote from @Amit Sharma:
Quote from @Avery Carl:

Paying a PM 20% will almost always put your cash flow in the negative. There is a time and place for property management in this asset class but if you're in scale mode, the time for the PM is not now. Your projections for a 2 bedroom are also pretty low. I have a studio that grossed quite a bit more than that last year. A smaller property like this will also have more like 80% occupancy. 63% is very low for the size and area.

It's unlikely you'd need to spend 50k to get up and running. Especially if the property comes furnished. You may just need to make a few small replacements and get your linens and a few other things.

On an investment property under the jumbo limit why not do a 15% down investment loan? A lot of people don't realize that the minimum down payment for a SFR investment is 15% and not 20%.

Thank you @Avery Carl. That helps alleviate the cash down pressure quite a bit. 

If I am not going to be staying near the property then I guess go for a smaller property management setup instead of a full incorporated company?

Will the cleaning fee be included in the payment to the prop mgmt company  whether medium or large entity? (say roughy at 15% for Medium and 20% for large?). Looks like for me there is no way to self manage, so I am prepping for that hit on my cashflow.

Would you advise to go the route of buy land and build? Does that have a tax advantage? Haven't come across that in my research ( which includes your wonderful videos). 

Thank you in advance. Looking forward to the group zoom call with STS.


Almost everyone here self-manages and almost none of us live local to the properties.  My closest property is a 5 hours drive away.  My furthest a 5 hour flight.

If you use one of Avery/Luke's realtors they will teach you how to self manage remotely for free.

Thanks @Ryan Moyer. This is a lovely takeaway for me. 
I'll reach out to folks at STS. Thanks so much 

Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Amit Sharma:
Quote from @V.G Jason:

If you put 15% down, you'll get a less favorable rate and have a higher monthly payment. So you'd be eating more losses. 


 yep. I just quickly learned that by adjusting my excel. 

Are you deadset on Gatlinburg, or are you open to other areas?

Seems like a rather high(er) barrier to entry, why not focus on some place with a little less of one? And the minimum down for a first time investor is going to be 25% likely, rarely 20%. 15% is when you are on an investments in the double digits and you've built that rep with the lender for years on years. 20% is when you are pretty reliable too.


 Open to other cities in / around Smokys as well as FL pan handle. 
I saw that AirDNA recommended Chattanoonga, TN last year as a hot investment destination. Open to something like that. I see. MAkes sense for 25%. 

Quote from @V.G Jason:

If you put 15% down, you'll get a less favorable rate and have a higher monthly payment. So you'd be eating more losses. 


 yep. I just quickly learned that by adjusting my excel. 

Quote from @Avery Carl:

Paying a PM 20% will almost always put your cash flow in the negative. There is a time and place for property management in this asset class but if you're in scale mode, the time for the PM is not now. Your projections for a 2 bedroom are also pretty low. I have a studio that grossed quite a bit more than that last year. A smaller property like this will also have more like 80% occupancy. 63% is very low for the size and area.

It's unlikely you'd need to spend 50k to get up and running. Especially if the property comes furnished. You may just need to make a few small replacements and get your linens and a few other things.

On an investment property under the jumbo limit why not do a 15% down investment loan? A lot of people don't realize that the minimum down payment for a SFR investment is 15% and not 20%.

Thank you @Avery Carl. That helps alleviate the cash down pressure quite a bit. 

If I am not going to be staying near the property then I guess go for a smaller property management setup instead of a full incorporated company?

Will the cleaning fee be included in the payment to the prop mgmt company  whether medium or large entity? (say roughy at 15% for Medium and 20% for large?). Looks like for me there is no way to self manage, so I am prepping for that hit on my cashflow.

Would you advise to go the route of buy land and build? Does that have a tax advantage? Haven't come across that in my research ( which includes your wonderful videos). 

Thank you in advance. Looking forward to the group zoom call with STS.

Hello Group. I am in the beginning phase of my journey towards 1st listing. So every variable, and every unknown is an uncertainty that I need to flip into a confirmed piece of information as I move forward. Request you all for your kind inputs and assessment for the income / expense sheet below. 

This is for Market : Gatlinburg. 

Price 450,000 ( Yes, very conservative)

Interest rate 6.5%

Avg Nightly Rate $180

Avg annual Occupancy rate - 63%

Going with a property Manager commission of 20%

I landed up with -ive cashflow. 

Questions for y'all.
1. Are these numbers close to accurate ( ball park of real life operations)? Does that mean current market doesn't allow a 450K property to have a +ive Cashflow?
2. Is the first property usually a low(or -ive) cashflow investment, where one builds equity to hopefully scale into a 2nd property with a net +ive cashflow?
3. The current listings on zillow for 2B2Ba are almost always more expensive than 450K. Should one wait out this year for price corrections to kick in?
4. What's the experience for any new buyers in 2023 at the current prices when they calculate their cashflow?
5. Any folks here who tried buying land, and built cabins there incrementally over a period of time ending in say 2..4 cabins on a lot?

Really appreciate your time & inputs to help me.