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All Forum Posts by: Alton P.

Alton P. has started 4 posts and replied 31 times.

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

Alton P.Posted
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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

It's not wise to wave your money around. The first thing I would suggest is a measure of privacy and humility.

1. Start with BiggerPockets Ultimate Beginners Guide (free). It will familiarize you with the basic terminology and benefits. Then you can read a more in-depth book like The Book On Rental Property Investing by Brandon Turner or The Unofficial Guide to Real Estate Investing by Spencer Strauss.

2. Get your finances in order. Get rid of debt, build a budget, and save. The idea that you can build wealth without putting any money into it is a recipe for disaster and the sales pitch of gurus trying to steal your money. A wise investor will not try to get rich quick with shortcuts. If you can't keep control of your personal finances, you are highly unlikely to succeed in real estate investing. Check out my personal favorite, Set For Life by Scott Trench , or The Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey.

3. As you read these books, watch the BiggerPockets podcasts. This will clarify and reinforce what you are reading. You can hear real-world examples of how others have built their investment portfolio and (hopefully) learn to avoid their mistakes.

4. NETWORK!!! Get out of your comfort zone. Stop hanging out with your deadbeat buddies that spend all day drinking, talking sports, and otherwise wasting away. Go to BUILD YOUR TEAM at the top of the screen and look for local investors or meetups in your area. You can also find real estate investing groups through meetup.com, facebook, or a Google search. Birds of a feather flock together!

5. Now you need to figure out how to find deals and pay for them. Again, the BiggerPockets store has some books for this or you can learn by watching podcasts, reading blogs, and interacting on the forum. A handy search bar in the upper right makes it easy to find previous discussions, blogs, podcasts, and other resources. BiggerPockets also has a calculator you can use to analyze deals and I highly recommend you start this as soon as possible, even if you are not ready to buy. If you consistently analyze properties, recognizing a good deal will be much easier when it shows up. Find Brandon's videos on YouTube for the "four square" method of analyzing homes and practice. It doesn't take long to learn how to spot a good deal.

6. Study the market. You can learn to do this independently or get a rockstar REALTOR to lead the way. I highly recommend a well-qualified REALTOR who works with investors and knows how to help you best.

7. Jump in! Far too many get stuck in the "paralysis by analysis" stage, thinking they just don't know enough to get started. You could read 100 books and still not know enough because certain things must be learned through trial and error. You don't need to know everything to get started; you need a foundation to build on and the rest will come through experience and then refining your education.

You can build a basic understanding of investing in 3-6 months. How long it takes to be financially ready is different for everyone. Once you're ready, create a goal (e.g. "I will buy at least one single-family home, duplex, triplex, or fourplex before the end of 2019") and then do it. Real estate investing is a forgiving world; the average person can still make money even with some big mistakes.


 Thanks for the advice, but not everyone with money knows everything about RE. had to start somewhere, and the forum is free advice, so here I am. Don't see the BP owners getting much flak for waving their money around. just trying to give context for my situation for best possible advice. Thank you for yours.

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

Alton P.Posted
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Quote from @Malgorzata Sadowska:

brilliant! congrats on your success - would love to know what kind of business.

Before you dive into RE, my suggestion would be to learn not WHAT but HOW you'd buy - if you haven't already, you should immediately focus on asset protection.


 SMMA and eccommerce, mostly baby products. made killing in pandemic "baby boom" and now looking to reallocate some capital for dievrsification purposes. thank you for not assuming this is bait, I think it's sad some people assume that everyone with cash knows everything there is to know about RE.

As for HOW, I like the idea of all cash to not worry about interest rates, and take HELOCs out for scale. Basically jam my foot hard in the door for low risk, then have the option to grow from there if I want to.

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

Alton P.Posted
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Quote from @Stephen Sherbin II:
Quote from @Alton Pettit:

Title says it all. Currently live in Orlando. Made money from other businesses in a relatively short time and at a relatively young age, and now want to put it into real estate. Problem is this would be my first real deal. I would like some general advice from the knowledged community about where might be best to deploy this (I did make an STR-specific post elsewhere, but this is for more general wealthbuilding advice). Also don't have any agent at the moment, insurance people, or loan officer (if I even get a loan), so open to advice from people here in their areas of expertise. I used to work in CRE acquisitions so I understand the numbers but lack deal experience.

Some stats: 

- I am open to both debt and all cash depending on circumstances. 

- My biggest parameters are long-term appreciation, and enough cash flow to comfortably live off of (which is why I'm strongly considering an all cash "park and profit" approach without worrying about crazy interest rates). I want to cash out at the age of 115 and use the cash to buy artificial organs to live forever, lol. Honestly that is the main goal and what both keeps me going and up at night, so I'd say the ultimate "end goal" is having lots of cash and the means to withdraw it down the line, WITHOUT going absolutely insane.

- To this end I have primarily considered Hawaii (Honolulu Oahu, Kihei Maui, and Kailua-Kona - either short term rentals or long term, ideally able to live in one unit/room of the property or properties), Miami, Houston, and Space Coast Florida. Hawaii or Miami would likely be an STR, Houston would be MTR, and Space Coast also a STR. I have a buddy in Houston with large lumbar and tool yard that I believe could make good prices for new development, but again, despite the cash, I am inexperienced and don't want to make a mistake biting off more than I can chew.

- While I can manage 1-3 STRs (I think, especially if I live in or near them) and one sub-15 unit multifamily complex, I definitely cannot for more than this on my own, and still have my other businesses to run, and want to leave adequate time to devote to those as they are my only revenue sources (another reason why I'm interested in some more livable cash flow).

- And i guess as a bonus, if you had this cash, what would you do to exponentially multiply it over a 100+ year period? I am considering buying self storage, branding it, turning it into a real business and scaling with more self storage facilities to sell to BlackRock in 2077 or something like that. Standardized, corporate, branded. Or maybe some adventurerous, extreme vacation rental business. Open to putting in the time and effort for that, but I have 0 experience with self storage, turning around some old mom and pop, or managing something like that outside of what I've read online. I am not a "handy" person. I don't want to lose this money on my first deal.

Overall, I'd love to live in Hawaii and collect 6-figures a year while living for free in one unit of a multifamily or multiple condo group, just as much as I like the idea of going all in on some big brand. I wonder, where is the balance, what would be best for now, and could I start with one and scale into the other as i grow experience and hopefully more capital? I know this is a lot, but I think it'd be an interesting discussion and would really appreciate some advice from the communtiy! Thanks.

 Hey @Alton Pettit, sooooo first, congrats on the wealth you've built, no easy feat for sure. It would be extremely difficult to give advice because of the number of options. So, let's narrow it down: do you want to be an active person within the business, or generate the income passively while spending your time on something else? Like everyone here, you are looking to multiply your money, and are looking for the fastest vehicle to do so, but what will be fastest is what you are passionate about. So with that in mind, what in real estate are you fascinated by, what are you obsessed about learning?

The answer to both those questions will really be the guide. There's opportunities in multiple sectors both in and out of real estate, like the conversation I had last night with a young lady who is following her mother's footstep in Ice Cream Trucks. Mom makes ice cream from scratch, dad is a mechanic, and they find older cargo/transit vans for a couple thousand dollars, spend $10k to convert them and equip them, and then hire drivers (for 25% of revenue) to go sell the ice cream (high quality version). They make about $300-400/day/truck in the slow season (winter). That's $9,000-12,000 per month revenue if they run every day. they have 14 trucks currently with more under renovation right now. They found a way to make great money from something no one else would think could make good money. It's the passion, passion drives learning, creativity, and effort. That's where your golden goose is. So, What are you obsessed with?


 I like the idea of private equity. giving other people a chance to make dreams happen, for big returns. Might start with real estate lending, and grow up into something else. That's something of a dream of mine. If you can't tell my ideas are all over the place. i apprecite your avdice, I do think that thinking outside the box will help. I'll have to consider if RE is the way to go, vs putting into more businesses

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

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Quote from @Theresa Harris:

If you are serious, I would start small-buy one house (average home) and see how that goes. Do not let your agent or tenants/property manager know how much money you have or you will be taken advantage of.


 simple advice, but underrated. thank you.

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

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Quote from @Mike Dymski:

You have experienced so much success with your existing businesses, why not stick with them and invest your money there rather than in a new real estate business with no experience?


I am sticking with them, I mentioned I want to keep the time available to continue focusing on them while being able to put money into real estate. I want property. I want hard assets. Company valuation and the cash flow that produces is great but means little against major war, bank collapse, hyperinflation, etc. Why I want RE is same as why anyone else wants it: because it's a good storage of long term wealth. I got the businesses, great, now it's time to diversify a bit.

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

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Quote from @Luka Milicevic:

@Alton Pettit

Given your goals I would take RE off the table and invest in paper assets instead. 

My opinion - there's no point in buying unleveraged RE. 

Buying RE in cash is going to give you the same return right now that US treasuries will. 

You can get an EASY 4.5% return today with zero work and very LOW risk. At 5m that's 220k/year which is more than plenty to live on and you won't touch your principal. 

Cash RE is going to get you 4.5-7% return over the long term. Not worth it in my opinion given your goals. 


 Good advice. Mainly drawn to real estate to potentially have somewhere new to live, like being in one unit of a complex I own for example, and tax sheltering my other income. Got any opinions on levered RE these days? Interests rates scare me, haha

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

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Quote from @Erik Stoddard:

I'd like to speak with you. I am an experienced small multifamily investor/operator. I bought 3 buildings, totaling 16 units in the Southeast in 2018. I have also gutted and remodeled one house 90% on my own so understand the construction/repair/remodel process (Not a contractor and not interested in doing that work myself). I have since sold (after improving) and moved to Honolulu (Waikiki). So might be an interesting opportunity to partner up as your boots on the ground. Ready to get involved again in real estate, Airbnb stuff is interesting to me. 


 Sounds like you've got some wisdom. Happy to chat, let's DM

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

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Quote from @Matthew Irish-Jones:

@Alton Pettit 5.3 million and going to a forum for advice?


 Free advice is free advice.

Post: $5.3M to use but 0 experience. Advice...?

Alton P.Posted
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Title says it all. Currently live in Orlando. Made money from other businesses in a relatively short time and at a relatively young age, and now want to put it into real estate. Problem is this would be my first real deal. I would like some general advice from the knowledged community about where might be best to deploy this (I did make an STR-specific post elsewhere, but this is for more general wealthbuilding advice). Also don't have any agent at the moment, insurance people, or loan officer (if I even get a loan), so open to advice from people here in their areas of expertise. I used to work in CRE acquisitions so I understand the numbers but lack deal experience.

Some stats: 

- I am open to both debt and all cash depending on circumstances. 

- My biggest parameters are long-term appreciation, and enough cash flow to comfortably live off of (which is why I'm strongly considering an all cash "park and profit" approach without worrying about crazy interest rates). I want to cash out at the age of 115 and use the cash to buy artificial organs to live forever, lol. Honestly that is the main goal and what both keeps me going and up at night, so I'd say the ultimate "end goal" is having lots of cash and the means to withdraw it down the line, WITHOUT going absolutely insane.

- To this end I have primarily considered Hawaii (Honolulu Oahu, Kihei Maui, and Kailua-Kona - either short term rentals or long term, ideally able to live in one unit/room of the property or properties), Miami, Houston, and Space Coast Florida. Hawaii or Miami would likely be an STR, Houston would be MTR, and Space Coast also a STR. I have a buddy in Houston with large lumbar and tool yard that I believe could make good prices for new development, but again, despite the cash, I am inexperienced and don't want to make a mistake biting off more than I can chew.

- While I can manage 1-3 STRs (I think, especially if I live in or near them) and one sub-15 unit multifamily complex, I definitely cannot for more than this on my own, and still have my other businesses to run, and want to leave adequate time to devote to those as they are my only revenue sources (another reason why I'm interested in some more livable cash flow).

- And i guess as a bonus, if you had this cash, what would you do to exponentially multiply it over a 100+ year period? I am considering buying self storage, branding it, turning it into a real business and scaling with more self storage facilities to sell to BlackRock in 2077 or something like that. Standardized, corporate, branded. Or maybe some adventurerous, extreme vacation rental business. Open to putting in the time and effort for that, but I have 0 experience with self storage, turning around some old mom and pop, or managing something like that outside of what I've read online. I am not a "handy" person. I don't want to lose this money on my first deal.

Overall, I'd love to live in Hawaii and collect 6-figures a year while living for free in one unit of a multifamily or multiple condo group, just as much as I like the idea of going all in on some big brand. I wonder, where is the balance, what would be best for now, and could I start with one and scale into the other as i grow experience and hopefully more capital? I know this is a lot, but I think it'd be an interesting discussion and would really appreciate some advice from the communtiy! Thanks.

Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Alton Pettit:
Quote from @V.G Jason:

Hawaii wise-- Kihei and north shore of Oahu. I think that's we narrowed it down too but understanding restrictions are a bit confusing. Much like you, this is my real target of 2024. 

Miami I don't know why you have in same bucket as Hawaii. Or is it just a price bucket?


 Mainly a focus on STRs in a beach environment, dealing with lots of regulation, etc.


Hawaii STR environment is actually very conducive because the supply is limited.


 My thoughts too. Regulation is pincy though, so gotta be careful. you ever deal with hawaii regulation for STRs before?