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All Forum Posts by: Allen Duan

Allen Duan has started 16 posts and replied 519 times.

Post: Medium term rental in Las Vegas

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Quote from @Bonnie Low:

Talk to @Allen Duan - he manages numerous MTRs in the Las Vegas area and knows it very well.


 Thanks Bonnie! Correction, I do manage many MTRs but most are in the Los Angeles area. We currently have one MTR in Las Vegas we manage.

Post: MTR in Orange County

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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  • Los Angeles, CA
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Feasible? Yes of course. But it depends on many variables. What specific questions do you have?

I own a STR/MTR property management company here in SoCal. We have some properties in the OC and I know many other MTR operators there. So yes, it's feasible =)

Post: Internet and Utilities for Mid-Term Rentals

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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MTR guests expect utilities to be included in the rent, just like STRs. You can set utility caps to encourage responsible use and protect you from huge bills. The guests/tenants pay the overage amount above the cap. Just make sure you have the right language in your lease for this.

Post: Any experience or feedback with Corporatehousingbyowner (CHBO)?

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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Tried it years ago when we starting managing MTRs and had zero inquiries or bookings from them. Delisted and I've never looked back

Post: MTR beginner Qs thanks!

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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Screen whenever you can, there's no reason not to. How much screening you do is the better question. Since these stays are shorter than LTR, it makes sense that tenants expect a less burdensome application process. For example, we do background checks but no proof of income/employment check. It's a business decision for you to make, everything has pros and cons.

Yes, just list on STR sites with 30 day minimum, simple and done. STR dynamic pricing tools aren't optimal for MTRs. You need to figure out our pricing strategy and use available tools to do what you want. Don't try to set it and forget it. This is a bad practice for STRs and even worse for MTRs.

Post: New to medium term rentals - strategy?

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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How many bedrooms is the property? 90 day minimum will be difficult for a successful MTR. I'll give you some numbers for the MTRs we manage in Los Angeles.

1-2 bedroom MTRs stays are 1-3 months

3+ bedroom MTRs stays are 3-6 months, but often start less than 3 months and extend their stay

MTR marketing falls in 2 buckets. Listing sites like Airbnb and Furnished Finder, and B2B relationships for referrals, insurance, and corporate bookings. The specific tenant type to target depends on your property and market.

We don't require any insurance from the guests. Homeowner should have an adequate policy and you can use additional damage protection from services like Safely and Waivo.

Yes, security deposits are normal for MTRs and highly recommended. 

Any screening service that works for long term rentals works just as well for MTR.

I do my analysis my checking comps on Airbnb and using Pricelabs market data tools.

Let me know what else I can help with!

Post: Typical Occupancy Rate - and how to calculate?

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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I don't know of anywhere with good data. You could use tools like Airdna and Pricelabs, filter for 30 min listings, and see what it tells you. Your best bet would be to connect with local operators and ask them. I also see our properties at 75-80% occupancy. I'm in Los Angeles, so keep in mind it may vary by market.

Post: Is Furnished Finder worth it in Urban areas?

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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Urban markets are the best markets for MTRs. If you're asking if Furnished Finder is worth the financial cost, that's a no brainer. The price is so low, don't overthink it. 

The better question is how to use Furnished Finder successfully. It's very different than Airbnb so don't expect it to work the same. Think of FF as a glorified classifieds or Craigslist for furnished rentals. Some people will contact you directly about your property, but a lot of people post housing requests and you have to contact them.

Post: Utilities included worth the risk?

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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Quote from @Jorge Caceres:
Quote from @Allen Duan:

Ignoring the numbers for a second, let's think of the customer's (tenant's) point of view. No MTR tenant wants to open an utilities account in their name for a few months. It's expected and common for MTRs to have utilities included. View it as a business expense like you do the mortgage. 

Now for the numbers part, since all MTRs include utilities, the market MTR rates should have that baked in already. In other words, all the other MTR hosts are dealing with the same expense.

To control this expense, I always recommend an utility cap where tenants are charged for any usage over an established dollar amount. 

 @Allen Duan I also considered the tenant's perspective. If they're paying for overages, they'll reasonably expect a refund for any unused portion of the utility allowance. To address this, the lease will clearly state that any credit will be returned at the end of the lease term. This should incentivize them to conserve energy.

You can definitely do it that way, but you don't have to. It can be worded either way in the lease. I've never had a tenant ask about a credit for not using the entire amount.

Post: Many leads but not bookings on Furnished Finder - to to resolve

Allen Duan
#3 Medium-Term Rentals Contributor
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Quote from @Tod DuBois:

Hostaway appears to integrate with the multiple channels - but I hate to do a software setup and learn it's not a good place to do what I need to get done (which is work as little as possible and optimize my occupancy). Anyone outsource the work overseas with any luck?


This is a big challenge in the MTR space. Most property management apps are built for LTR or STR. Since MTR is similar to both in different ways, you'll need a custom tech stack to cover all your needs.

I agree with Miguel, build your system, then hire a virtual assistant and train them how to use it. This is what I've done. Happy to help you get started.