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All Forum Posts by: Alex L.

Alex L. has started 6 posts and replied 127 times.

Post: Investing security deposits

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122
I love investing in Ohio, because the security deposit laws are so vague and bare bones. They don't even require them to be held in an account; I could keep them under my mattress for all the state cares for. I always put them in a high-interest savings account, and love the extra bit of money I get from it.

Post: Stessa vs. Landlord Studio, vs Quickbooks.

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122
Quote from @Matthew W.:

Hello. Because I am indecisive, like software, and want to at least give every platform a chance I have tried MANY software for my 2 condos (and once Airbnb). Most were not great. I am embarrassed to admit how much time I have spend on these and I only have “2 doors”

But I can say I used both Stessa and Landlord studio a lot so can actually be helpful here.

Both are good compared to all the others (e.g. Avail), but Landlord studio is frankly not as intuitive or user friendly. Keep in mind this is what I am USING currently so that tells you about my experience with the other “apps”.

Anyway, I have used it for a year and I am constantly met with quirks and roadblocks. The customer service is awesome though and when they explain why I am having issues, it usually makes sense, but these types of things just aren’t an issue with Stessa. For instance, many categories you might want to file transactions are missing. These are there in Stessa as expected. So you must add them manually in LS. And in the LS background there are all sorts of validations on what you are trying to do, so it just gets frustrating. In short its hard to override things. For instance I got a lot of my rental payment upfront, (a large cash inflow as a payment type) but I cant apply/reconcile it as category “rent” because I already marked the month’s rent as paid – just one quick example. So it sits there in purgatory. I can admit there are likely good reasons for these validations and restrictions for Property management professionals and accounting gurus, but for a small time landlord like myself they come across as annoying.

The price is right and the reports are awesome though. And the customer service is super fast and helpful, although I should also mention you are often just sent a wall of text to read. I get it, but I really wish it was more intuitive from the start. They also have a much more modern look to the software and they have a good Mobile app geared specifically for tenants. SO this could be a huge selling point for some. (None of my 2 tenants used it so cant comment on that). Another thing is a small detail like who pays the ACH fee can be a choice to go to you or tenant. I appreciate things like that and as I said I use it currently but also begrudgingly.

Anyway, Stessa is everything I want mostly (now as they have added desperately missing features the past year), but also more expensive for some reason. I think LS is a small business whereas Stessa is a large corporation (roofstock corp).

That extra cost is not so much the issue though. The reconciliation of transactions is super fast and easy. The tenant and lease set up is way easier and intuitive in Stessa. It’s true nail in the coffin is they FORCE you to open up checking accounts under some bank I never heard called “thread” in order to collect rent. NO THANKS. So they advertise later they will have quick rent payments but I don’t bank with “Thread.” I bank with Chase. So this would require me to manually log in to transfer money to my actual bank anyway for distributions or to receive funds for improvements or whatever. And I can’t link a debit card from that bank. If you can there is no mention. And worse, this bank does not even accept Zelle. I mean what respectable bank does not accept zelle payments? Finally, the Stessa Cash Management Accounts FAQ page is suspiciously lacking in mention around fees. So as a previously burned person in bait and switches am simply assuming that when you don’t talk about fees and you list all these “things” you can do, you are hiding fees later. Sorry, call me cynical there.

Like I said, I am trying to simplify my life, so opening up yet more bank accounts when I already have a trusted rental business account with chase for a small timer like me is not territory I want wade in. If Stessa let me link and use my own bank I would very likely choose them over LS even given the extra cost to get over the frustrations I have with LS.

Oh one more thing and this is subjective.... Where I live, the word "Landlord" is a dirty word.  Sad but true.  I do not even think I am being sensitive around this.  So telling my tenant to pay, get emails from, and use an app called "LANDLORD studio" does make me feel uncomfortable to some degree as it makes it sound more like a 1 sided transaction.  "I am your landlord, pay me."

Stessa does have a much friendlier sound to it, almost cute. 

Anyway, that is my take. Hope it helps.

This is like a near exactly copy-paste experience of what I've been going through as of late. I've used Stessa since 2018 and truly enjoy how simple and intuitive it is to use. But it's missing a couple of integral features, such as maintenance requests/tracking, and also my bank (which I do not want to leave) for some reason has always hated connecting to Stessa and thus never works properly... In order to avoid pulling out my hair, I have to manually connect each time I want to reconcile transactions, usually about once a month for my own sanity. Trying to bring this issue up with support is near impossible, and, well, their support is just lackluster all around. So, I've been on the hunt for a new management software for someone with less than 10 doors.

I've tried several different alternatives: Azibo, Innago, TenantCloud, Baselane, Hemlane, etc. and none of them come close to Stessa imo. The closest so far has been Landlord Studio, which I desperately want to love (especially because it hasn't had any problems connecting to my bank account and the support team is GREAT), but my primary qualms with the software is (1) it is not as intuitive to use as Stessa, (2) I don't like the fact there's not a single place where I can view all individual transactions like I can in Stessa (instead I have to click through different reports and whatnot), and (3) the name! "Landlord Studio." Like you already mentioned, the term "Landlord" has a bit of a bad connotation to it. While I LOVE the tenant app feature, there's absolutely no way I'm going to have tenants use an app or receive emails that says "Landlord" all over it. Just really makes things a bit uncomfortable.

DoorLoop seems like a great software I'm very curious to give a go someday, but for someone with 10 doors, that's a very future me issue. Besides, all the features I want are in the higher subscription categories (calendar feature, bank reconciliation, free ACH transfers) that cost $119 and $169 per month for 20 doors or less, so... meanwhile Landlord Studio has the calendar feature and bank recon baked into their sub price of $12/mo +$1 per unit.

With that said, I'll probably stick with Stessa for now (free version), and continue to just let my tenants text/email me when issues arise and whatnot, and try not to yoink my hair out over my bank hating Stessa for some reason. I do truly want to stick with Landlord Studio as it has some great features but the name alone is just too harsh for me.

PS... "Thread" bank is a real bank that I've had the opportunity to work with before. I agree though, I am not a fan of being forced to open bank accounts to use features, and so I certainly have no interest in Stessa's cash management nonsense.

Post: Does owning RE question your sanity?

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122

A good, hefty repair/capex budget is how I handle RE stress lol.

Now I failed high school math 3 times, but...

$45,500 spent over 20 units in the span of a year comes to be $2,275/unit.

If you had an adequate repair/capex budget in place, you should've been fine. For example, if you were setting aside $200/mo per unit, that's $2,400/year for each one, or $48,000 total. Would've nearly wiped out your budget, but you wouldn't have had to break a sweat with concerns.

Even if you were setting aside $150/mo per unit, that's $1,800/year for each one, so a total of $36,000. You'd have a deficit, but I would imagine (and hope) with 20 units you'd cash flow enough to be able to cover it, and then... ideally... you won't have to worry about replacing at least 4 of those roofs in the near future, so less capex expenses to worry about lol.

Consider this an expensive lesson and make (and stick) to a good repair/capex/emergency budget, or... if you're going to hate RE regardless... just hire a PM... but make sure that's in the budget, too lol.

Post: City Charging More for Rental Registration Than Ordinance Calls For

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Alex L., they may have amended the ordinance. So, you may need to read all of the changes that have made to the ordinance which may appear at the end or in additional separate documents. 

It would annoy me as well, BUT even if you're right they will probably just update the ordinance now. Whether they will reimburse for prior years, maybe now because its not worth anyone's time or effort to sue for such a small amount.

If the fee was egregious there would be a different issue. A small city near me was charging $150 for rental inspections several years ago when most town around it were charging $35-50. Eventually they pushed the wrong landlord who sued. When a municipality charges a fee they can only charge enough to cover their cost to do the work NO MORE. When the lawsuit was filed they learned that this fee along was collecting THREE TIMES as much as the WHOLE DEPARTMENTS budget! Well, that fee dropped to $50 and the lawsuit got settled I believe. By charging that much, the city was charging an "Illegal tax" so they were violating state law.

Yeah, I assumed initially that there might have been an update to the ordinance, however there doesn't appear to have been. I have no interest in pursuing a lawsuit or anything like, as I like to stay on the admin's good side since they often provide me opportunities to purchase demo list properties to give a second chance. They're also genuinely pleasant to work with. So if they update their ordinance, or request I simply continue to pay the double fee even if they don't, no skin off my teeth. I just found it to be a surprise, but also at the same time not so much since like I said -- the people at city hall, particularly in the zoning department, don't quite know what they're doing half the time lol. There's like 6 people who work there, and one of them -- the city inspector -- doubles as a police officer, haha. 

Post: City Charging More for Rental Registration Than Ordinance Calls For

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122

Like a lot of cities, one of the ones I happen to invest in charges an annual $50 registration/renewal fee per each SFH. Typically I pay it, no questions asked, because why would I have any questions? However for some reason I decided to comb through the city oridinance out of boredom, and found that there's actually a code that states SFH's are to be registered/renewed annually at $25. Confused, I went back to look at the letter the city sends out to landlords every year, which states $50 for SFHs... and then goes on to reference a code which only lays out late fees and violation charges.

Wondering if anyone's ever ran into a similar issue where the ordinance is different than what they're actually doing or calling for. I'm in the process of reaching out to the city admin who handles this area to see if I could either be (a) reimbursed or (b) have registration waived for the next handful of years. Not sure what to expect because it's a small town and these old-timers hardly know anything (i.e. I've tried to ask them about building a house on a lot I owned, or simply putting a manufactured home on the lot, and they had absolutely no clue on what information to give me... their answer to the latter question was, "I don't know," after 40 minutes in the zoning/building admin office).

Post: What does "air conditioning" mean on the Section 8 utility allowance sheet?

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122
Quote from @Colleen F.:

@Alex L.  got to love a government form.... Provide vs pay for is apples and oranges. looks like you are indicating the tenant will provide fridge, range, microwave they are in the provided by section. Looks like AC is in the paid by section. To me I would put tenant because the cost is by them and nothing else in that section is an appliance. I haven't done this form though. I get how you could see it as if you pay for the unit or not but then I would expect it would be down with the fridge. 


That makes sense, I appreciate your input!

Post: What does "air conditioning" mean on the Section 8 utility allowance sheet?

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122
I have a couple of rentals with central AC that I rent and am planning to rent to section 8 tenants. I noticed on the utility allowance sheet that there was a line item for "air conditioning" which required to be specified as being paid for either by the landlord or the tenant. The tenant is responsible for electricity, which is specified as a different line item.

My question is, how do I answer this? Is this question more geared towards window units? If I were to provide window units, it seems I should write "landlord." So, with that line of thinking, I'm guessing I should also put "Landlord" since I provided the central AC unit? Or is the question more geared towards an amount of electricity that is used to operate these items, in which case it would be "Tenant"?

I have no clue how to answer, and the housing authority never answers their phone and hardly returns calls half the time since they're so swamped, so I'm wondering if anyone else might have a clue while I continue to wait to hear back from them.

Post: Insuring my rentals. ACV vs RCV & $5k vs $10k deductible. What would you do?

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122
Quote from @Joe Manzella:
Quote from @Alex L.:

I currently have less than 10 properties, and keep them all on a commercial policy. Each property runs me about $225 to $300 (cheap midwest homes), and I always do RCV (or agreed value, which another member mentioned). My deductible is $1k and I've been meaning to raise it to see if it'll save me a few bucks but I always forget since insurance isn't too expensive. I also keep an umbrella policy for a rainy day. I like to keep things simple.


Good on you for the umbrella! It's so cost effective and absurdly helpful coverage. Commercial package policies are fun since you can part them in and out - if those are annual I'd be worried you're missing coverage, but if they are monthly see if your broker is appointed with REInsure Pro or Steadily - they've been pure fire for my clients. Steadily especially in Ohio and MO, but make sure you've got that umbrella updated to include each property.

Believe it or not, those premiums are for the entire year. The properties are cheap NE Ohio SFRs, with the limit for each property being something like 150-200% of its current market value. I worked in property insurance claims for 4 years, and one thing is for certain -- once you've worked in insurance, you look at everything else through an insurance lens lol. Anyway, the limits might not be enough to completely rebuild to the same specs in some cases, but it's more than enough to pay off the mortgage, pay myself back, and dump the remaining 40k+ into ETFs and call it a day. And I am totally fine with that.

I've heard of Steadily but haven't checked them out since I haven't had a reason to complain with American National or whatever the hell they call themselves now, but I will keep them in mind! I think I saw their name plastered on Stessa, but I might also be crazy.

Post: How save money on trash out for a hoarder’s house?

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122
You never know what you'll get, but Craigslist is an option I've used several times. I'll rent the dumpster ($350 to $600 depending on size) and then I'll pay some folks looking for extra cash anywhere from $500 to $1500 to totally empty the place.

Post: Insuring my rentals. ACV vs RCV & $5k vs $10k deductible. What would you do?

Alex L.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Youngstown, OH
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 122

I currently have less than 10 properties, and keep them all on a commercial policy. Each property runs me about $225 to $300 (cheap midwest homes), and I always do RCV (or agreed value, which another member mentioned). My deductible is $1k and I've been meaning to raise it to see if it'll save me a few bucks but I always forget since insurance isn't too expensive. I also keep an umbrella policy for a rainy day. I like to keep things simple.