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All Forum Posts by: Albert Lubin

Albert Lubin has started 3 posts and replied 13 times.

Quote from @Ty Coutts:

Hello, Albert Lubin, the 50% rule is a general guideline used by real estate investors to estimate the operating expenses (OpEx) of a property as a percentage of Effective Gross Income (EGI). Effective Gross Income is the total potential rental income minus vacancy and credit loss. The 50% rule states that approximately 50% of EGI will typically be consumed by operating expenses.

While the 50% rule provides a quick estimate, actual expenses can vary widely depending on the property type, location, age, condition, tenant mix, and market conditions.

Here's an example: if a property generates $200,000 in EGI per year, the 50% rule suggests $100,000 would go towards operating expenses like taxes, insurance, utilities, and property management. However, an additional amount should be set aside for CapEx and repairs.

While the 50% rule provides a useful starting point, it’s essential to recognize that it primarily covers operating expenses and not CapEx or repairs. For a more accurate financial projection, factor in these additional expenses separately. Tailor your analysis to the specific property and market conditions to make informed investment decisions. I hope this finds you well!


 Thank you Ty! I appreciate it.

Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:

A lot of the numbers will depend on the location, which state and city. You have to know what the norm's are there. Where I am you would have a sweet deal if you got a cap rate of 7%, $94k per door is a sweet deal. 

You have to be careful with trusting the seller's expenses as it is RARE that they list all of the expenses. And, Property Management is 100%, ALL of the time, NO MATTER what, included in the expenses and NOI. Its not a choice! Its an expense that you may or may not use.

Thanks Adam, I appreciate your input. I do agree that Prop mgmt should be among Opex for a commercial property. I wasn’t sure how  experienced investors accounted for it when analyzing deals. I do find it hard to believe the seller’s expenses unless they’re backed up by some official documents but unfortunately I’ve read that I could only receive them after an offer has been made and accepted when I’m doing my due diligence. My dilemma is that the accurate numbers are needed for me to submit a fair offer.
The location does play a big role and it’s in south NJ where property prices are on the rise but not as much as northern and central NJ.
Quote from @Russell Brazil:
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Albert Lubin

What's the NOI?


Based on the Opex the seller's agent provided it's $134k which implies the Opex ratio is ~21%. I fear that might be too low so I've been running scenarios with the general 50% rule (NOI of $85K). Would that rule still apply to this type of property? Or does it only apply to smaller properties?


 35-40% is a more standard realistic operating cost. 50% is too high.

Thank you for replying. Would that standard 35-40% opex ratio be inclusive of some percentages for property mgmt fees (8-10% usually) and some sort of capex reserve assumptions? If so, then maybe the 21% opex the agent told me might be somewhat dependable.

Capex is not a factor in operating costs/NOI. There is not standard as to whether Property management is included in NOI.


 Okay, thanks that's good to know. 

Quote from @Russell Brazil:
Quote from @Albert Lubin:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Albert Lubin

What's the NOI?


Based on the Opex the seller's agent provided it's $134k which implies the Opex ratio is ~21%. I fear that might be too low so I've been running scenarios with the general 50% rule (NOI of $85K). Would that rule still apply to this type of property? Or does it only apply to smaller properties?


 35-40% is a more standard realistic operating cost. 50% is too high.

Thank you for replying. Would that standard 35-40% opex ratio be inclusive of some percentages for property mgmt fees (8-10% usually) and some sort of capex reserve assumptions? If so, then maybe the 21% opex the agent told me might be somewhat dependable.
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Albert Lubin

What's the NOI?


Based on the Opex the seller's agent provided it's $134k which implies the Opex ratio is ~21%. I fear that might be too low so I've been running scenarios with the general 50% rule (NOI of $85K). Would that rule still apply to this type of property? Or does it only apply to smaller properties?

Quote from @Russell Brazil:

That's between a 6.5% and 7% cap rate. What's the prevailing cap rate for similar assets/same class in the area where it's located?

The official source I was able to use is the National Association of Realtors site and it shows Multi-family market cap rate of 6.1% for 2024 Q1 (2023 Q4 was 5.7%). I've asked some agents in the area and they told me it's 7ish, so I'm not sure tbh. I was shocked by the rate I saw on the NAR site because I was expecting 7.5+. Most properties in the area are either SFH or 2-4 Multi-families.

Hi everyone! I am calling on all investors to share your insights on how you would analyze this deal and what your max offer would be or if you'd pass. I'm considering a commercial property (16 - 1Bed1Ba units) with a current annual rent roll of $170K fully occupied. The asking price is $1.5M, go!

I’m a newbie so please forgive me but the Opex at 24% of the Gross rental income seems low. Are those your estimates or the sellers? I’m also assuming you intend to manage them yourself, right?

Hi, I am a new investor and I'm contemplating buying a commercial property to hold. I've been using the general "50% of EGI" rule to analyze properties but I am curious what a "true" range is. I do have some questions on the general 50% rule too. Is there an assumed percentage already embedded there for property management, CapEx and repairs? Or would those be on top of the 50%? Please advise, thanks!

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Quote from @AJ Wong:

You're missing the debt obligation of $875k @ 7.2% interest $5939x12= $71,268. $40,732 mins expenses..At a PP of $1.25M with 30% down ($375k) you'll be short of a 10% COC return..

Also 7.2% seems like a very strong rate on a 10plex. Check in with @Joseph Chiofalo for 5+ unit loan programs. Most small balance multi family complexes will not yield a 8%+ CAP in today's rate environment..unless they will consider seller financing..with 30% down there should be some options for creative finance solution. Good luck!


 Thanks for the prompt reply.

Apologies for not being clear enough in my original post. I did not do the analysis with their asking price. I was trying to back into the purchase price that would meet my requirements to submit an offer; so based on the rent roll provided, I estimated Opex to be 50% of the effective gross income, amounting to NOI being 50% of $112K therefore $56K. I want a better CAP rate than the market CAP of 8% so dividing $56K by 9%, I get $623K as the value of the property. Based on this value, the debt service would be $35.5K so CF would be $21.3K annually (over 10% ROI). With a $56K NOI and the asking price being $1.25M that would imply that the deal CAP is 4.5%. The location of the property is definitely not a low CAP market. How can I verify the Opex of the property prior to submitting an offer? I've read that sellers and their agents tend to underestimate the expenses so as a rule of thumb I read I should use 50%.


 Do you have RE representation? A 50% discount from listing price could seem a little unrealistic..but I would not discourage any offer..As for expenses I would request copies of the sellers formal statements or records. If not prior to offer, typically a review of financials is part of income producing property or commercial transactions. Sellers need to provide certain records, as  requested as part of the contract within a due diligence period. If the buyer doesn't like what they find or seller is unable to deliver, the buyer can terminate. 


I hear you AJ. I will reach out again for formal statements or records on the expenses because it just didn't make any sense based on the data I've received thus far. Based on the NOI provided and the asking price, after calculating the Debt Service, the cash flow is only $8K (2% ROI with a 30% DP).