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All Forum Posts by: Alan Asriants

Alan Asriants has started 95 posts and replied 1413 times.

Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

Alan Asriants
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Quote from @Lucas Thomas:
Quote from @Sebastian Bennett:

@Joe S. I wouldn't put @Mark Cruse and @Lucas Thomas in the same conversation of managing class d properties. Mark self managed so that he could provide a higher quality living experience for his tenants and from all accounts seemed to offer living conditions that were better than most in the class D world and treated his tenants with respect. Lucas on the other hand seeks out meth dens in war zones (his words) and treats the properties as just that. Claims to not have expenses like snow removal yet acknowledges he hires an outside PM company for his NE properties because weather shifts are too much for him to follow remotely. Makes it sound like paint is a cure-all for all repairs and somehow manages to sub meter common areas in his multi unit buildings. Claims he can only landlord his way in certain parts of the country.  Apparently this makes him a landlord’s landlord whatever that means? Nothing but a slum lord. Surprised you are willing to put him up on a pedestal. From your posts you seem like the type who wants to operate their business the right way.

Well Welcome Sebastian, 

This is why us Class D landlords don't post much on these forums, its only a matter of time before someone throws the "S" word around. Which is HIGHLY Offensive. 

Just because we operate in areas you don't like, doesn't give you the right to throw around such slurs. 

That is like me saying, "All Attorneys are SCUM." ;)

And I can only operate in certain parts of the country because the prices are currently too high all over the country. But buying real estate in any state shouldn't be taken lightly as everyone keeps glossing over the "Landlord Friendly" part of what I do. 

Landlord Friendly Means: 

1. Evictions can be done within 30 days WITH Attorneys, cheaply! No Exceptions. 

2. The Court doesn't have a philosophic conversation with you about "What is Rent?" while your trying to kick people out for non-payment. If they do, use a M2M lease so the court can't pontificate on your 30 day notice. No Exceptions. 

3. Personal Responsibility State - Tenants are responsible for their actions and aren't coddled by the government through the legal system. For example... Snow Removal! The government makes it your problem as a landlord and you can't contract the responsibility over to the tenant.

4. BE Aggressive - Run up the judgment and sell the debt to a professionalized judgment collection company and make sure you haunt that deadbeat for the maximum allowable years. I garnished a tenant for 9 years. I got the last paycheck a few months ago. I'm proud of that one. :) 

I tell all my tenants this story because it usually helps them realize they should sign the mutual cancellation agreement and move out within the notice period.  

5. Rent Striking is ILLEGAL - Tenants can't withhold rent because they broke something and never tell me. 

This is why I gave my lovely disclaimer on my original post because I don't know the full costs of ownership in Pennsylvania and know nothing of their laws. It could very well be impossible to cashflow there and it isn't the place for me. 


 Honestly, your points on what to look out for is like trying to go into a war wearing as much bullet proof armor thinking that will protect you. Sure to some degree it will, but your systems seem to be entirely based on horrible what ifs. If you bought in a decent area and had decent tenants, you wouldn't have to worry about this and over the course of 10+ years you would have accumulated a lot more wealth and your health. 

When you're finally done running a business and dealing with this issues, you should try investing in real estate and benefiting from appreciation and PASSIVE income.

Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

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Quote from @Nicholas Misch:

Thank you for this post! We have been considering section 8 investing here in Cleveland for quite a while because we hear about the "guaranteed payments" but we knew more people who lost a lot and had so many headaches on top of it. I am not saying this isn't a good strategy for some (very few), but for me it's a hard NO. 


 Love hearing the Guaranteed payment pitch too. Except they forget to mention that only the gov portion is guaranteed. And many times the tenant can have a higher portion

Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Henry Lazerow:

I see people talking about good credit tenants and screening but real life from owning c/d rentals those applicants don’t exist. No one with good credit wants to live in a bad area, maybe your properties are really class B. It’s even hard to get the sec 8 tenants to apply sometimes as they get to pick where live and want be in the nicer areas also. 


For sec8 tenants, if anything I want to see BAD credit not good. 

I mean, I don't really want to see that but what I look for in sec8 screening is COMPREHENSION. 

I want to see a story of what put them in that situation that makes sense. And is a "good" reasoning for it. 

For example, my favorite is always the aged. They followed the rules, worked a blue collar job, did what they could, didn't do university, never achieved much but never did big wrongs per say either, and now on S.S. and work PT, just struggling to make ends meet. 

I can get that. I can understand that. And I can rent to that. 

When it's a 20-something full of attitude and demands. Has 0 ambition or actions to take any ownership of there life. 3, 4, 5+ kids by a laundry list of "baby daddies" you know it's hell-on-wheels. That there gonna be bringing in trash baby daddy 6, 7, 8 etc.. 

The screening is much more people skills related, understanding people, reading people, gauging there intentions. 


 Agreed here. I have found very nice older couple on Section 8, but those candidates are very far and few in between. 99% are the later that you described, at least in my area.

Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

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Quote from @Samuel Coronado:

The issue is not the Class of the property. The issue is people try to skimp on properly vetting tenants. I have people in a mobile home park who pay on time every time and take care of the properties very well. I've also had people in a nice house on acreage skip out and leave it infested with roaches. haha. 

Proper management cures most of these. 


 Class of area determines class of tenant, they are directly proportional. Class A tenant with 800 credit score, perfect landlord references, and a 6 figure income will not live in a Class D area. 

Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

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Quote from @JJ P.:

There’s some very good insight in this thread.  
I’ve considered cashing out on our San Diego Class A ages for the high returns of other areas.  We already did that in Oregon and doubled our cash flow but stalled out on the appreciation.  Our small town Oregon houses are nice, class A, I suppose, but the economy is just tremendously different.  Our expectations had to pivot according and that’s not even when targeting/catering to lower income people. 
Class D-F purchases can be a great way to get started with limited finances, but it really is a Baptism by Fire.  We developed our landlording skills over years and made lots of mistakes along the way.  If we’d started out with challenging properties and tenants, I don’t think we’d have ended up sticking it out. 


 Exactly, most don't survive long because the headache and the actual returns burns them.

it's possible that people consider Class C and D differently and in the Midwest where the avg home costs 100k, buying an 80k home really isnt a horrible area. But in the NE, that is a risky asset

Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

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Quote from @Ty Canal:

@Alan Asriants can't say you're wrong here - original post may become misleading. I've found massive success in these class C/D areas. One thing I will say is if you want this to be successful you need to scale at large, owning 2-4 you have a much higher chance at getting burned. 

I'm not sure where you're going with the courses, I'll never spend money on something I can learn myself, we live in a new age where everything you need is at your fingertips. 

I believe it's all about personality, when I first got into this all I wanted was to achieve financial freedom (no 9-5) and it got me there. C/D neighborhoods are great for replacing an income but it won't build you  that net worth compared to A/B investing. 

Not sure where credit is relevant in this situation, 90% of my tenants have good credit. It's just an added bonus of security for me even though in reality if most of them never pay their share the business will still operate fine. 

you make good points - nothing I can really dispute, I think your original post may be misleading, it's coming across as something that's not achievable - when it should come across as A/B is better in the long term. 

 By no means do i think that you can't generate "success"

I'm very sure you could churn out good returns. But operating in these classes in not really investing its more like starting up a business. Businesses provide great cash flow but are always tough to sell and usually valuations are low. Meaning most dont sell, they just retire. 

The concept is similar here. Yes you get more cash flow, but you're usually investing way more of your time. My understanding of investment and passive income is to create a model that allows you to invest your money into a safe asset, that generates some kind of income, with little to no effort and it grows in great value overtime. 

This is what investing is about. Your money works for you, not you working for money.

Sure, you need to make sure your property is in great shape, you find the right tenants, etc.

I have managed 20+ units in Class A/B areas and 20+ units in Class C/D areas and I have spent more time on the Class C/D area properties in 3 days than I did on the Class A/B areas in one month.

Usually calls related to class A/B were once in a while: water heater replacement, minor water leaks after very heavy rain storm, only really "emergency" situations. 

For the other class of RE, it was chasing down rent, arguing about who is responsible for throwing down things into a toilet that shouldn't be there, water bill delinquencies, disputing damages that were clearly tenants fault etc. And low and behold after some time, the owners stopped caring about fixing things because all of these issues screwed up their returns. Then things start to spiral downhill. Deferred maintenance, angry phone calls, and so on. Trust me, if I was the owner, I wouldnt want to keep fixing a problem that wasn't mine. And "duct tape" fixing like Lucas mentions don't last long and eat your cash flow.

So its not that you can't have success its that you put yourself in a different position. One is starting up a tough business and the other is investing. most people don't keep that business model open for long. As you can see Mark is repositioning. 

My business is real estate sales, I invest in real estate. 

credit is def relevant... avg scores in lower tier areas will be lower, that is just a fact. 

Post: New Philadelphia Transfer Tax Legislation

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No way, they are actually planning on hiking up the already high transfer tax? City does nothing good for homeowners and they want more money. WE need a DOGE in the city. bunch of people pushing problems from one department to another. Tried to get illegal dumping issue resolved on my property only to get hung up on on my zoom meeting. I was charged a fee for reporting illegal dumping - I was told if I report it, I have to pay. Yet in the meeting they told me to report it to the exact people that I did. No ones knows whats going on in other departments. When I asked nicely who I can speak to about this issue I was yelled at and told that they don't handle this. 

Post: Anyone have experience building on a small lot in los Angeles

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Hey Geoff, I can send you a builder who might be able to answer your question and give you a bid. 

Post: Need inputs on utility sharing for main unit and JADU

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You can do a fractional percentage - say 3 people live in main unit and 1 person lives in ADU.

Main unit pays 3/4 of bill and adu pays 1/4

That being said for one utility like water that might be ok, but I think not having separate utilities opens up a can of worms. 

You can always bake it into the rent if you believe you can accurately estimate those expense. Thats what a lot of landlords in older apartment buildings do. 

Separating is the best bet and might not be that expensive since you have a small unit. Throw another electric meter, change everything to electric, install heatpump or ductless systems. disconnect gas and run electric. You will likely need to update to 200amp. This is what I would do. 

Post: Best type of loan to build an ADU

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Likely a home equity loan might be better since you dont have to worry about paying off the equity quickly and arent subject to higher rates and random rate changes which can destroy your cash flow.

Long term loans are best for long term projects

HELOC and lines of credit are good for get in and get out situations.

Its possible you can use a heloc to build the property as that can be cheaper for you and then you can do a cash out refi to pay off the heloc since your home is fully paid off. That might be cheaper and better bet than home equity loan. YOu need to reach out to local bank and see difference in rate and terms.

Also you need to know that investing 100k in an adu will not always increase your value by 100k. (Example)

if you need a solid contractor in the area for a bid, reach out anytime. my partner is a solid builder