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All Forum Posts by: Kenneth Bell

Kenneth Bell has started 6 posts and replied 135 times.

Post: New development pitch.

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99

@Sergio P Ramos

You can make a great living just developing losts and selling to big builders. I have a 35 unit townhouse site that we entitled and will probably sell. Concentrate on your development cost and keeping them down and the deal will pencil. Reach out if you want to discuss. Good luck!!

Post: Building my first spec home!

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99

@Jay Hinrichs

I try to avoid historic districts at all costs. I am in the Charlotte market and surrounding, and I do everything from luxury $950k-$2MM to starter homes from $250k to $300k and townhome sites. Land has gotten expensive in Charlotte but the new UDO has allowed for expanded density on infill lots. I have looked at other coastal markets that are less expensive than Charleston proper. Are there any emerging areas near Charleston, since it is getting so expensive?

Post: New development pitch.

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99

@Sergio P Ramos

Sounds like a great property. I may have missed it, but can you share the acerage a density? It is possible to develop the deal and not build anything at all. Land development and construction are two different disciplines. There are plenty of sites you can bid the vertical work through. Has it been 100% entitled? That would mean there is an approved site plan that includes roads, water, sewer, storm water, curb, gutter and any required buffers. This site plan would give you an idea of the needed development cost, which is usually what sinks development deals

Post: How to Financially Analyze Unimproved Land for Tract Home Development

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99

@Trenton Miller

Hey Trenton,

Land valuation is the most important skill you will need to develop, and honestly, the only way to be better at it and not just take someone else's word for it is to truly understand zoning. Zoning are the rules for what can go on a piece of property and how it must go on as well. If you learn zoning then you can understand density, if you can understand density then you can reach a number for estimated gross development value. If you can get gross development value then you can figure what the most you can pay to make the site pad ready, do vertical and still make a profit. You need to be able to come up with this really before you spend money on a civil for plans that tells you it won't work. Density is also your friend. Thw more dense a project the better chance the numbers work. 30 inexpensive homes on 3 acres will pencil probably before 5 expensive homes will because you still have to spread your infrastructure across 3 acres. I am 100% real estate development in my business so these are calculations I need to make all the time. My best advice is understand zoning and density to make proper land valuation, then proper DD. I know more than a few people with land paperweights.

Post: Building my first spec home!

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99

@Jay Hinrichs

I currently develop in NC. I focus almost 100% on my pad ready land cost to come up with profitable deals. 20% of gross development value is the most I will pay for land. That is the skinniest deal I will even consider. That will give me a gross profit of 20% minus holding and commissions. I look for density plays that can be executed in an infill setting. Density can really help the ROI on a development deal. 100% of what I do in real estate is development deals. I don't often see people talk about it very much on here at all. Does anyone else do 100% development besides myself. I am sure there have to be a few of us??

Post: Opportunity Zone Investments. Has anyone done one

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99

@Robert Ellis Gastonia NC, suburbs of Charlotte NC

Post: Opportunity Zone Investments. Has anyone done one

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99

@Jacob Sherman

The build multifamily has and * in Charlotte. They have made compliance so difficult that you should probably only do multifamily. Have you done one of these deals yet. I am looking at the possibility.

Post: Opportunity Zone Investments. Has anyone done one

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99

I have the chance to develop a 35 door BTR project that happens to be in an opportunity zone. Has anyone done a COZB and got equity from an opportunity zone fund?

Post: 40 Unit Development in Tampa... Is it a good idea to pursue?

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99

@Nick Kurtz

Can you send me details for this project as well. I may be interested

Post: What do investors see as a solid LP return?

Kenneth BellPosted
  • Developer
  • Charlotte, NC
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 99
Quote from @Paul Azad:
Quote from @Kenneth Bell:

Hello all,

I am a real estate developer who has for the past 10 year solely focused on develp build and sell assets. I am now looking at a few deals that we will develop and then keep them in a GP/LP relationship. I am looking at the landscape of other multifamily GP/LP deals and it seems there is a wide range for both IRR and equity splits between GP/LP. I am trying to get a pulse on what is a good return metric for LP's. I am a strictly ground up developer. I am new to GP/LP deals but not new to development. I was targeting a 20/80 GP/LP with a 12-13% IRR with a 2 hurdles +14% IRR GP/LP goes to 30/70

+15.5% IRR GP/LP goes to 40/60.

These will be usually 25 to 50 unit infill multifamily deals usually townhomes or apartments

I would love the feedback


Hi Ken, coming from a drunk sloth level passive LP perspective, you have a fair approach, however the projected IRR is lower than most current offers out there so may be difficult to market to cursory investors, but your 80/20 is quite reasonable compared to most others. Check out Neal Bawa's latest offering by his GroCapitus group, BTR 92 townhomes in Idaho Falls. 18%IRR, 75/25 split, then 50/50split above 19%IRR or as docs say >25% AAR, he has 3 share classes, 6/7/8% preferred returns for higher investments
02. Equinox on Lincoln V27 Investment Summary.pdf - Google Drive

Your suggested fees are on the lower side of what's out there, but also lower IRR projected. I don't pay much attention to IRR alone, as GP can make up any number there he wants by sliding to more aggressive cap rate compression projections at exit, one can move IRR from 10-20% easily. I look at Equity Multiple and duration, local market, macro-environment for asset class, supply/demand, GP experience/longevity, and about 50 other things.

I posted a link to an interesting industrial syndication offer last night on the syndication forum, also 80/20 after 8%, then a bump to 70/30 above 14%IRR , check that out too, obviously different asset class/and existing, but their deck can give you an idea on what the fund raising environment is like too

NE Indy Industrial Portfolio (heritagegroupcapital.com)

good luck :)




 Hey Paul, 

First thank you for your reply. I can tell you are a bit more than a drunken sloth LP!! I thought about a possible preferred return of between 6-8%  with a catch up. I will take a look at the offerings you suggested. I would also like to connect with you if you are available. You seemed to have more knowledge than most on what LP's are looking for. I want to make sure I capture that as much as possible. I will shoot you a message if you don't mind?