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All Forum Posts by: Adrie Moses-bailey

Adrie Moses-bailey has started 10 posts and replied 51 times.

Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

@Adrie Moses-bailey To be clear:

The assocition is typically responsible for 'common" plumbing, inside a common wall, etc.

You are responsible for interior plumbing, toilet feed line, sink feed lines, etc.  If one of these breaks, toilet/tub overflows, etc. then You are responsible to any damages to another/lower unit. I've seen many $20k plus repairs for this.

Thats good to know and I should definitely look at a better insurance policy for it then and calc that in

Originally posted by @Paul Allen:

Seems like you are considering forming a 4-member LLC. The IRS will treat this as a partnership for tax purposes (unless you choose otherwise, and you DO NOT want to choose otherwise if you are leasing the property and collecting rents).

The partnership will file a form 1065 information return every year and deliver each partner a Schedule K-1 which is created as part of the 1065 preparation. The K-1 tells each partner (and the IRS) what each partner's share of the gains and losses from the partnership were. Those are recorded on your individual tax returns (form 1040) on Schedule E page 2.

Assuming the 4 partners in the partnership each receive 25% of the income and expenses, then each partner will deduct 25% of the mortgage interest expense on his/her individual tax return. That mortgage interest will make it to your individual returns via the K-1(s) delivered to the partner(s) after the partnership files its 1065 return.

Best of Luck with Your Real Estate Investing!

 Paul,

This is exactly the information I was looking for, thanks so much to you and everyone else chipping in. Is it still ok to make monthly distributions through the LLC or would everyone recommend an annual distribution?.

Originally posted by @Al D.:

Being that this is your first deal, you didn't ask, and no one has brought this up along with their good answers to your question: Have you found a lender willing to lend to an LLC/other business entity?

Also, your assumed interest rates may be too low today for a condo with 20% down, even in Manhattan.

Thats a fantastic point. I have not locked down the lender bit and don't really understand the specifics of how getting a loan for an LLC work. Was figuring I could borrow in my name then transfer into the LLC. Let me know if thats too optimistic. Regarding the interest rate piece I am basing it on my excellent credit score and the unit would be in charlotte NC. Let me knoe if that number still seems far too low

Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

A side note, at $240/yr for insurance it doesn’t seem this would be a comprehensive policy that would cover liability (like if one of Your pipes breaks, toilet/tub overflows and does substantial damage to a lower unit) And replacement/repair of similar damages “from the walls in” for your unit.

 Wayne, 

I budgeted 20 a month based on the fact that this is a condo and things like the plumbing are usually covered by the condo board and the HOA fee but to be honest what I had not considered was damage to the interior of my unit not being covered in the event of such happenings

Hey guys, looking to do my first deal and may need to partner with some friends (4 of us) to do it. I was thinking putting the property in an LLC would be the best bet to protect everyone's assets. One thing puzzles me though, I realize I usually don't consider the mortgage interest deduction and Depreciation expense when evaluating properties but these are huge aids in wealth building. What happens to these when you invest through an LLC.

For context I am looking at a $99K condo right now that would cashflow about $244 after expenses of 275 including HOA fees and mortgage of 401 a month for 30 years after a 20% down payment. I can provide more details if that would help you guys answering my question and feel free to weigh in on whether an LLC is an appropriate structuring for such a small partnership.

Pro forma below, column 2 is 12 month while column 1 is one month. The formula for Mortgage payment just copies last years monthly payment unless I put in a new purchase price (signifying a refinance) at the top of the column so the $401 a month payment in column 2 is accurate.

Purchase 99,000
Downpayment 20% 20%
Finance Amount $ 79,200 $ -
Downpayment amount $19,800 $0
interest rate 4.50% 5.75%
Mortgage(years) 30 30
Mortgage Payment $ 401 $ 401
$ 4,815.54
 
Vacancy Rate 8% 8%
Time Period 0
Income Monthly
PGI $ 1,000 $ 12,000
Vacancy Rate of 0.08 $ 80 $ 960
EGI $ 920 $ 11,040
Miscellaneous $ -
Income $ 920 $ 11,040
$ -
Expenses
Property Taxes $ 56 $ 671
Water and sewer $ - $ -
Property manager $ -
Maintenance and repairs $ -
Insurance $ 20 $ 240
Elevator service contract $ -
HOA fees $ 155 $ 1,860
Electrical $ -
Fuel $ - $ -
Capital expenditures $ 44 $ 528
Total Expenses $ 275 $ 3,299
NOI $ 645 $ 7,741
Debt Service $ 401 $ 4,815.54
Net Income $ 244 $ 2,925
YOY increase in net income
PV   $ 2,925
Present Value of all CF $ 81,919  
Acquisition Cost $ 23,760  
NPV $ 58,159  
Return
Cap rate 2.96%
Multifamily (5 Units+ Value)   $ 58,509
Cash on cash return   12.31%

From a personal perspective as someone looking to get out of renting into a home of his own its tough to even find a fixer upper in the city when flipping is so profitable here and guys can come in with all cash offers and sellers know this. That said I don't hat flippers, wish I was them.

Alina I’m here at the hotel where exactly is the meeting?

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Adrie Moses-bailey... I do understand what you are saying. But how are you going to get financing on 5 different properties? 

Ask I would guess. Once you get one property and the income starts rolling in I imagine it would have positive impact on your DTI by raising your income more than the new debt.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Adrie Moses-bailey OK!!!!! That makes sense.....LEVERAGE...Thank you! 

 NP leverage is a tough thing to wrap ones mind around but its how most businesses function. Just be careful as it amplifies your gains AND your losses

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

To all the experts, novices and beginners!

Looking for some thoughts and advice….

I am reading over and over again not to use 100% cash to purchase a property..but to only use your cash for the down payment and let the tenants pay the mortgage. But why not? I have done the math on the cost of the overall loan and the ROI versus cost to pay cash in full at time of purchase. Is there something I am missing? If I can save enough money to pay cash, why not? PLEASE educate me, I do not want to make a rookie move, but I am having a hard time wrapping my head why borrowing money (and paying all that interest) is better investment than cash sale.

You already did the math on return on investment. For a 100,000 property paying 1000 in profit a year paying cash gets you a 1% return while paying 20% down and financing 80,000 gets you a 5% return with the same profit . With the cash You have tied up paying all cash for a property you earn only whatever appreciation the  property gets while with a mortgage you earn more on less cash. Thats the whole point of leverage. Certainly you could go all cash and certainly some investors recommend this but you will not grow your wealth nearly as fast as if you used leverage though it will be much safer. Basically you could buy one deal all cash or 5 with the same amount of cash using financing and the tenant will pay the mortgages down for you (hopefully). Its all about your appetite for risk and your goals.