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All Forum Posts by: Adrian Smude

Adrian Smude has started 68 posts and replied 1000 times.

Post: The BRRRR method is dead

Adrian SmudePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Plant City, FL
  • Posts 1,112
  • Votes 379
Quote from @Timothy W.:
Quote from @Adrian Smude:
Quote from @Timothy W.:
Quote from @Henry Lazerow:

 Real estate should at a minimum get you 6% Cashflow + 8% appreciation  and 2-3% in mortgage paydown all based off a 25% down payment.

You can do that or better on dividends and not have tenants.  The only advantage on real estate in this scenario is depreciation.

Wow, I commented a month ago that the people making money off of BRRRR was the preachers, not the doers of the BRRRR. This thread is proving me right. It's all the real estate agents, brokers and other vendors servicing landlords talking about how great it is. Not much from owners who built up a portfolio of 20-50+ units using this. Pay attention. Their money is made on you continuing to transact in real estate, not you maximizing your own profit.


 Great observation!  

 Thanks.  Saw you're a mobile home landlord.  VERY very smart down here.  I've been in the insurance claims business for 20 years and not everyone gets that a modern mobile home tends to weather a hurricane better than most framed homes.


 Yes sir!  As I was once told when I was scared of mobile homes… there are 1965s still around… they’ve been through more hurricanes than you have! :-)

Post: The BRRRR method is dead

Adrian SmudePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Plant City, FL
  • Posts 1,112
  • Votes 379
Quote from @Matthew Crivelli:

Buying a property, fixing it up, and refinancing at the higher value will never stop. This has been going on for a 100 years lol. @Adrian Smude


I didn't mean it'll completely stop, but the fact of it being a business plan I believe it's season is over. It'll come back but those that don't know anything but BRRR are in for a struggle.

Post: The BRRRR method is dead

Adrian SmudePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Plant City, FL
  • Posts 1,112
  • Votes 379
Quote from @Timothy W.:
Quote from @Henry Lazerow:

 Real estate should at a minimum get you 6% Cashflow + 8% appreciation  and 2-3% in mortgage paydown all based off a 25% down payment.

You can do that or better on dividends and not have tenants.  The only advantage on real estate in this scenario is depreciation.

Wow, I commented a month ago that the people making money off of BRRRR was the preachers, not the doers of the BRRRR. This thread is proving me right. It's all the real estate agents, brokers and other vendors servicing landlords talking about how great it is. Not much from owners who built up a portfolio of 20-50+ units using this. Pay attention. Their money is made on you continuing to transact in real estate, not you maximizing your own profit.


 Great observation!  

Post: The BRRRR method is dead

Adrian SmudePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Plant City, FL
  • Posts 1,112
  • Votes 379
Quote from @Henry Lazerow:

Putting money in a CD making 5% but with 3-4% inflation is only a real return of 1-2%. Real estate should at a minimum get you 6% Cashflow + 8% appreciation  and 2-3% in mortgage paydown all based off a 25% down payment.

Yes sir, those are all benefits not always talked about in the real estate investing world!  Some people will argue we have much higher inflation which means our 5% savings are actually losing money to inflation! 

Post: How does a mobile home effect lending?

Adrian SmudePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Plant City, FL
  • Posts 1,112
  • Votes 379
Quote from @Michael Rendon:

Hello. I am looking at a property in North Florida for purchase. It has a guest house on the property. One home was built in 2014 and it is a stick built home, the other one is a mobile home from the 70s.

My agent says they can only except cash offers due to the year the modular/mobile home is built. I suggested we remove the value of the mobile home from the loan and qualify based off the land and stick built home, but he told me in order for the bank to finance the deal the mobile home would need to be removed from the property.

Can anyone help add some clarity as to why this is? I want to purchase this home with the mobile home, but it sounds like if I want to finance it that is not possible.


 Where are you with things?

Here’s some things from my opinion as a full time mobile home investor and educator. 
The fact you got so much info that’s confusion is a reason I love investing in Mobile homes because so many investors don’t understand them which leaves us with less competition. 
As mentioned June 15, 1976 is the magic year for banks to finance mobile homes. 
private money one fantastic way to finance properties like this. I’d also offer the seller what they are asking but on payments. They may say no today, but as time goes on they might change their mind. I always like to sit down and talk about this before offering. 

I’ve also seen people get a bank loan for properties like this and have to have the mobile home removed within 90 days. 

Be careful with removing the mobile home because the municipality might not let you replace it and the income stream will be missed. 

Keep us updated with how it goes!  

Post: How can I get into house hacking as a 19 year old with not much money?

Adrian SmudePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Plant City, FL
  • Posts 1,112
  • Votes 379

I started out with a single family house and rented out the rooms. I did this at 20 years old. Keep going to different community banks, credit unions, and mortgage brokers all asking how you can get a loan. What would you need to do to be able to. 

One of my students, at 19 years old,  worked as a handyman to save enough money to buy, fix, and flip a mobile home within the park. This gave him a larger chunk of cash to be able to make more decisions with. 

Best of luck! 

Post: Very Clean Plant City, FL SFH on Corner Lot (NOT IN MLS)

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  • Plant City, FL
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Quote from @Robin Bogin:

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 Do you ever get any mobile homes in the area? 

Post: Any investors in Lakeland florida?

Adrian SmudePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Plant City, FL
  • Posts 1,112
  • Votes 379
Quote from @Michael Monello:
Quote from @Adrian Smude:

I love the Lakeland market.  It's become popular so it's not as easy to find great deals as it once was but we are still buying.  What will your niche be?
Why are you looking at Lakeland? 

Hi Adrian, I'd love to connect. I'm looking in Lakeland because it's more affordable than the Orlando market. Its still close enough for me to manage in my own.

im looking at new construction with incentives to close. One big incentive for me is fixed lowered interest rates that manau builders are offering now. 

I like those reasons. I asked because a lot of people throw a dart at the map or pick lakeland because they read it in an article about being a great place to invest. 

@Gavin Welch does new builds, is an investor, and realtor in the lakeland market  you should connect with him! 

Post: Any investors in Lakeland florida?

Adrian SmudePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Plant City, FL
  • Posts 1,112
  • Votes 379

I love the Lakeland market.  It's become popular so it's not as easy to find great deals as it once was but we are still buying.  What will your niche be?
Why are you looking at Lakeland? 

Post: I need help!!!

Adrian SmudePosted
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  • Plant City, FL
  • Posts 1,112
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Quote from @Courtney Rodes:

I invest in mobile homes and teach the topic because not many people are. There’s less competition!  
I love the cash flow and that’s one of the first things that attracted me to mobile homes. They are also recession resistant. 
Are you talking about in a park or private land particularly? We have lots of both in the area I’m in. This is really interesting to me because I own three manufactured homes on private land. I always thought that the depreciate in value vs a stick built home. But they have proved to be good rentals. 

 Like Rachel said we typically invest for CashFlow. But I'll say I've had a lot of appreciation in my mobile homes over the years. I focus on the home and land, but there can be profitable CashFlow when it's on rented land. Parks of course too, but they have had a big pick up in competition.