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All Forum Posts by: Adam Sheren

Adam Sheren has started 9 posts and replied 54 times.

Post: How I got paid to buy a 10 unit

Adam Sheren
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  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40
Cody Jensen - this was merely a ‘hope’ for me not that long ago. Keep daily consistent focus on your goals and soon you too will be able to share a story such as this!

Post: Seeking advice/feedback on my thoughts!

Adam Sheren
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  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40
Have you considered the BRRRR method? Why flip the property if you refinance the property, get your investment back, create cash flow, hire a property manager and do it all over again? A second thought is to do this with a duplex, triplex, or quad.. add value while living in one of the units. Food for thought - good luck!

Post: How I got paid to buy a 10 unit

Adam Sheren
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  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40

If the link above doesn't work.. here's the Blog post

In July 2016 I found myself itching to dive into another investment. I had found myself very intrigued with a 10 unit in my local market that had been for sale for over a year. In fact when it first hit the market I remember running the numbers, only to confirm what I already knew; the property was priced WAY over market.

The property is located in our downtown area on one of our main roads heading into town.

I literally drove by this property twice a day, every day.

Through random MLS searching one day, I noticed the price on the 10 unit had been reduced (by 20%). So... I decided to run the numbers again.. and again, and again, until I backed into a potential purchase price that I felt comfortable with. At this point in my REI career, I had only purchased SFR. I owned 5 rentals and had executed on two flips. It was after doing some more reading (books, blogs, and bigger pockets) that I knew multi-family was the next step for me.

After coming up with what I thought was a fair purchase price, I made an appointment to tour the property. Although I am a licensed Broker myself, I knew the listing Broker (network) was very familiar with the property and I had a relationship with her. I asked her to escort me through the showing. This proved to be very beneficial, as I found out during the tour that the reason the owner was selling is because they were retiring and moving down to Florida. On top of that, they had sold 16 of their 17 properties and THIS was the last one.

After the tour I immediately called a local commercial banker (network) whom I had known for several years and asked for a meeting.

Financially, I had the money to put down on the property, but I also had equity in other properties as well, and did not want to liquidate my cash reserves into this property. I knew the property would Cash Flow without a down payment, depending on purchase price, and wanted to leverage my equity if possible. After several visits, and proforma's I finally received approval to not only leverage my equity in my other properties, but also use the value of the property in the LTV (loan to value) calculation as well, regardless of purchase price. As many of you experienced purchasers know, typically lenders allow you a certain LTV lets say 75-80% based on the lesser of cost or purchase price. My lender was allowing me 80% Loan to Value (not loan to purchase price) with a 20 year amortization, and a 4.00% fixed rate for 5 years.

Let me get to the Numbers:

Original List price - $800K

List price after reduction - $550K

Purchase Price I felt comfortable with after running numbers - $415K - with fees that would be rolled in to debt - $425K

NOI - $42,600

Debt Service - $27,700

Cash on Cash (if I had to put 20% ($85K down, which I didn't) - 17.5%

Annual income after DS = $14,900 - $425K - 20 year am. 4.00% interest

With all this being laid out, I decided to make an offer. In my mind the property, assuming a 10% cap rate, which is typical in my area, I valued the property at roughly $450K. I have something that I firmly believe when making an offer on a listed property:

Your first offer should (almost) offend the seller

That being said I called up the listing Broker and told her I wanted to make an offer of $380,000. This would turn out to be a (still unknown) costly mistake. When comparing to my comfortable price of $425,000, $380,000 doesn't seem TOO low, but keep in mind, the property was listed at $550,000. I knew they wouldn't accept, but I wanted to give myself some wiggle room when they countered back.

While I thought this to be an almost offensive offer, I later found out that I did not put enough stock into how bad they wanted to move on from their life as landlords and enjoy being retired in FL.

The phone call I received from the listing broker later that day was bittersweet. She called and said "Adam, I can't believe this is happening, but the Sellers have accepted your offer".

Emotions were running - on one hand I was extremely happy I was getting this property at such a great price, on the other hand, if a seller accepts your initial offer, there's a 99% chance they would've accepted less. How much less?? We'll never know - this is why I referred to my offer earlier as a mistake. If that's the only "mistake" I make when investing though, I'm sure I'll do ok.

I received their signed acceptance the next day and took it to my lender. The first part was done. The property was under contract. The second part, was not yet finished. I still needed the property to appraise at $395,000 or more, for me to get the financing without any cash out of pocket. This extra $15,000 on top of the $80,000 in equity in my other properties would bring a total collateral value of $475,000 and provide that 80% LTV.

The property valued at $425,000. While I wasn't too worried, and actually thought the value of the property was around $450,000, I believe that $425,000 valuation was influenced by the lower purchase price of $380,000. Either way, I was able to move on to closing on the property without using any money out of pocket. I even rolled all of my closing costs into the deal.

About that $10,000+. As I mentioned earlier I'm a licensed broker in Michigan. I was able to acquire my license without ever being an agent for another Broker because of my 5 years I spent as the Special Asset Manager for a Community Bank. The buyer's agent commission was 3% of the purchase price. This was the icing. I had just purchased a 10 unit property, in great condition, in a great location, which not only cash flowed, but also had tremendous upside (i'll get to that in a second), AND I walked away with a check for $11,400.

some of you may think that was a bonehead move. That I should've leveraged my commission by lowering the purchase price to avoid taxes. Truth is I had enough expenses to wipe out a large portion of that commission and I wanted to put some $$$ into rehabbing one of the units for a tenant that had let me know he was going to be moving out in 2 months.

Fast Forward 1 year:

I have increased my net operating income to $53,000 by rehabbing two units, cleaning up the landscaping, getting less expensive insurance, decreasing mowing/plowing costs, and increasing rents. I had the property reappraised a few months ago, and it was valued at $530,000. With the equity generated in the 10 unit, I was able to get the Bank to release the lien on my other properties which had originally secured the deal.

I wish every deal worked like this!

Post: How I got paid to buy a 10 unit

Adam Sheren
Posted
  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/10278/67324-how-i-got-paid-10k-by-purchasing-a-10-unit

Post: Offering a property owner an equity position in a development

Adam Sheren
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  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40

@Ronald Rohde - Yes, the land would be the equity if they choose to go that route, if not, than perhaps other (high level) employees may be interested in the deal as you had suggested earlier. I need to clarify I meant 'chicken OR the egg' - which i'm sure you understood. My point with that comment is that I don't want to spend a great deal of time, effort, energy, and money on this proposed development only to have another investor scoop up the property, however, I know I'll need something to give the decision makers the ability to make an informed decision on whether or not they'd be willing to contribute the land for an equity stake in the project.

I figure with a high level, but well presented outline, that I may be able to get them to at least consider the thought. My plan as of now would be to submit that with the LOI. It would state general terms & conditions but the main goal to be accomplished is to get the property under some type of contact to provide me the time necessary to perform the due diligence, set up my team, and structure the financing/grant funding - you know how it works.

I would very much appreciate any templates you'd be willing to share.

Post: Offering a property owner an equity position in a development

Adam Sheren
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  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40

Thanks @Jay Hinrichs - I've already checked zoning and the property is properly zoned for multi-family - My father in law was the superintendant for the DPW for 25 years and recently retired. I'm sure he can find the answer to the infrastructure scopes and limits at that site. I'll be sure to ask him.

@Ronald Rohde - Thank you. I'll be sure to reach out to my attorney prior to submitting a LOI - Coming up with a basis for a strong property valuation wouldn't be too difficult, but I'd like to get the property under contract prior to investing any amount of time and money into a nice presentation with initial architectural renderings, market info, and proper financial analysis (construction and operating pro-formas).

I'm looking at this as a "chicken of the egg" situation. I'd like the grocery store (or employees of) to come an as an equity partner, which I'm sure they'd like to see some type of presentation before making some type of situation -

Any recommendations on how to put together a very high level (inexpensive) overview of the deal - I'm asking more marketing wise as in - a company that I could provide with some proforma figures, market analysis, and concept drawings, that could in-turn make a presentation/offering memorandum look like it costs thousands of dollars - to at least let me get some information in front of the decision makers.

Post: Offering a property owner an equity position in a development

Adam Sheren
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  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40

Good morning - I've recently been made aware that a local Grocery Store (owned by a decent sized Grocery Chain in the midwest) owns 16 acres of vacant land which would be a prime site for development of a multi-family property.

The property sits between two major roads and allows access to the local downtown on one side (2 miles driving distance) and the Highway on the other (again, about another two miles).

It is my opinion that this development would have a profoundly positive impact on the Grocery Store Sales by providing 80-250 units within walking distance, and according to our Target Market Analysis, our area is in desperate need of rental units.

To the question -

How would you go about trying to leverage your development idea as being so beneficial to the grocery store, that you could get control of the site to perform your due diligence on the mentioned development with as little $$$ out of pocket as possible?

Moreover, would it be inconceivable to think that the Grocery Store may even want to contribute the property to the deal (contingent upon approved financials and financing) and stay as an equity partner?

Post: Acquisition for Development question..Sales Hats needed... GO!

Adam Sheren
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  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40

Good morning - I've recently been made aware that a local Grocery Store (owned by a decent sized Grocery Chain in the midwest) owns 16 acres of vacant land which would be a prime site for development of a multi-family property.

The property sits between two major roads and allows access to the local downtown on one side (2 miles driving distance) and the Highway on the other (again, about another two miles).

It is my opinion that this development would have a profoundly positive impact on the Grocery Store Sales by providing 80-250 units within walking distance, and according to our Target Market Analysis, our area is in desperate need of rental units.

To the question - 

How would you go about trying to leverage your development idea as being so beneficial to the grocery store, that you could get control of the site to perform your due diligence on the mentioned development with as little $$$ out of pocket as possible?

Moreover, would it be inconceivable to think that the Grocery Store may even want to contribute the property to the deal (contingent upon approved financials and financing) and stay as an equity partner?

Post: How to Get Started in Multi-Family Homes.

Adam Sheren
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  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40

@Jalen Henningsen - all great suggestions from above. House hack, become a Broker, move to a larger city, etc. I tell this to all newbie's that I respond too. Your biggest asset in RE investing, will be your network. This get's proven to me time and time again.

Continue to self-educate (books, blogs, BP, etc.) and strengthen your network. Join meet-ups, local landlord/REI groups, and find yourself a good mentor.

Good Luck, Sir!

Post: 1031 exchange and commercial loan

Adam Sheren
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  • Investor & Developer
  • Ludington, MI
  • Posts 54
  • Votes 40
I wouldn't say they don't care. They take the whole picture into account. However, it's not as scrutinized as residential lending because it's not as heavily regulated. For example a lot of residential mortgage loans have DTI limits of 43% , in the commercial side of your DTI is 60% but you have left over margins of 15,000/mo. After all debts are paid, does it matter?