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All Forum Posts by: Aaron Hunt

Aaron Hunt has started 10 posts and replied 645 times.

Originally posted by @Corey Meyer:

@Bijou Diaou

Find a partner who can finance the mortgage.

You bring the management and 50% down payment of the property.

50/50 ownership

 Easier said than done. 

As an investor, why would I be okay coughing up 50% down payment and tie it up in a business, with a partner who may have personal finance management concerns?

Business finance management is exponentially more difficult in my opinion.

Personal financial stability is the bare minimum before I jump on board with a prospective partner. Although, this isn’t necessarily disclosed, I’m just saying I feel the investor is taking a much greater risk. Track records matter.

Not so fast. Back up...

Why can’t you get a bank to give you a mortgage?

What are these various reasons?

They are likely raising red flags, which would stabilize you financially if you were to fix them. Should not be overlooked or jumping to workarounds as that will only lead to you having more reasons. Banks are an ally to investors.

As far as the $10k, the first home I purchased I put down a $11k (close enough) which was 5% down. I moved in. Moved out a year later. Made it a rental.


Three years later, this property has $100k in equity (pay-down + appreciation), a $20k HELOC (which I haven't touched). And I have since invested $10k into a banking startup, that just doubled it's assets and is doing very well, so now...I became the bank.

Post: Investors who have a W2...Are you still investing in a 401k?

Aaron HuntPosted
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Originally posted by @David Barnett:
Originally posted by @Aaron Hunt:
Originally posted by @Mark S.:

@Blake Edwards

Absolutely.

I max out 401(k) / Roth 401(k) each year (depending on my projected income, I move between pretax and Roth). I get a 9% employer match and my highest expense ratio fund is 7 bips (0.07%), so it’s basically free. 100% equities.

I max a backdoor Roth IRA each year as well. Expense ratio of 3 basis points (0.03%). 100% equities.

I (minimally) use my brokerage account. Expense ratio of 3 bips (0.03%). Yup, you guessed it: 100% equities.

I invest heavily into a real estate note fund with non-qualified funds (10% and 12% preferred returns).

I invest in multifamily syndications with non-qualified funds (8% preferred, 75/25 or better splits on most; 6% targeted and 65/35 on one very small investment more for fun).

I invest in international agricultural real estate, like coffee (10-12% IRR) and cacao (yes, chocolate - 11% IRR). I use a self-directed ROTH IRA for cacao and non-qualified funds for coffee.

I invest in turnkey buy-and-hold SFR properties with non-qualified funds.

I save fairly aggressively in high yield savings accounts with specific purposes for each account.

I am planning to utilize the infinite banking concept / whole life insurance in the next couple of years. I am also looking to invest in additional syndications for cash flow.

Like others, I believe in the benefits of the stock market as well as real estate and I like to balance that out with a diversified approach. Cash flow from real estate for “early retirement” and qualified plans for my later years. Everyone has what works for them; this seems to be working really well for me.

What do YOU do?

How do you decide whether to invest in the pre-tax 401k or Roth 401k? I’ve been trying to figure this out

For now I’m just going all-in on the pre-tax 401k but I know I may regret this down the road.

We also have a Roth In-Plan conversion which I’m trying to understand the value of. 

 If you're in a high tax bracket (which I'm assuming you are), it probably makes sense to contribute pre-tax to reduce your current AGI (Adjusted Gross Income).  It's likely that your AGI will go down after you retire, and will pay less in taxes since you'll pay taxes as you withdraw the pre-tax funds in 401k.

 Makes sense. I think I am first-world worried that between our 401k + pension + RE investments + SS we might bump up into higher brackets even in retirement. 

I know, good problem to have, but I ran the numbers after seeing our 2019 gross rents from our PMs on the 1099s and realized we’re not going to be far off at this pace of accumulation.

Post: Investors who have a W2...Are you still investing in a 401k?

Aaron HuntPosted
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Originally posted by @Mark S.:

@Blake Edwards

Absolutely.

I max out 401(k) / Roth 401(k) each year (depending on my projected income, I move between pretax and Roth). I get a 9% employer match and my highest expense ratio fund is 7 bips (0.07%), so it’s basically free. 100% equities.

I max a backdoor Roth IRA each year as well. Expense ratio of 3 basis points (0.03%). 100% equities.

I (minimally) use my brokerage account. Expense ratio of 3 bips (0.03%). Yup, you guessed it: 100% equities.

I invest heavily into a real estate note fund with non-qualified funds (10% and 12% preferred returns).

I invest in multifamily syndications with non-qualified funds (8% preferred, 75/25 or better splits on most; 6% targeted and 65/35 on one very small investment more for fun).

I invest in international agricultural real estate, like coffee (10-12% IRR) and cacao (yes, chocolate - 11% IRR). I use a self-directed ROTH IRA for cacao and non-qualified funds for coffee.

I invest in turnkey buy-and-hold SFR properties with non-qualified funds.

I save fairly aggressively in high yield savings accounts with specific purposes for each account.

I am planning to utilize the infinite banking concept / whole life insurance in the next couple of years. I am also looking to invest in additional syndications for cash flow.

Like others, I believe in the benefits of the stock market as well as real estate and I like to balance that out with a diversified approach. Cash flow from real estate for “early retirement” and qualified plans for my later years. Everyone has what works for them; this seems to be working really well for me.

What do YOU do?

How do you decide whether to invest in the pre-tax 401k or Roth 401k? I’ve been trying to figure this out

For now I’m just going all-in on the pre-tax 401k but I know I may regret this down the road.

We also have a Roth In-Plan conversion which I’m trying to understand the value of. 

Post: Investors who have a W2...Are you still investing in a 401k?

Aaron HuntPosted
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Originally posted by @Hart Pearson:

My observation from my wealth management days... There are two general paths. 

1- Sell your time and work to earn a high income. Save as much of that income as you can stand too and put it primarily in 401ks iras etc. the stock market, when done properly, is the best yielding long term savings vehicle there is. These people at a certain age will switch from growing the pile of money with savings to monetizing the pile they’ve grown and be FI. This works with exceptionally high income earners who can resist spending it. Docs, execs, lawyers, good sales people... they don’t have the time left to do real estate correctly.  

2- learn to invest in real estate and businesses (cash flowing investments). Grow the cash flow. Nobody from this side of the equation Should invest in the market UNTIL they’re rich enough to worry about asset preservation and diversification. Otherwise a 401k is crippling their growth by sucking their liquidity dry. These people can get richer and don’t need a lot of income or high degree level to get there. But broad is the path and narrow is the way.  

I’m a physician in my 30s. We live in a 1.5 bed, 1.5 bath condo that our family owns outright. Only loan is a recent used Tesla purchase. We live well below our means.

We fit in the first bucket, but it’s seriously boring as hell. Watched our 401k grow by 6 figures this past year, without doing squat, and it was like watching paint dry. Zero excitement from it. We don’t even really discuss it. Has no impact on our lives.

Sounds crazy, but I’d rather watch paint dry on one of my new rentals that can earning $300/month and appreciates 5-10%. We actually enjoy discussing this as a family even though it’s peanuts in comparison.

I also invested into a local bank and a brewery recently for fun. Those are more interesting.

Sometimes it’s just not about the money. It’s about knowing you’re in control and you own sh*t.

Post: Investors who have a W2...Are you still investing in a 401k?

Aaron HuntPosted
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Yes. 

Maxing out every year + my employer contributes 5% of my salary into my 401k (automatically, not a match). 


I’m in a higher tax bracket (referring to those passed the annoying 24-to 32% jump and above) so I have to use every tax advantage I can. After maxing out, I still put some additional away into 529 and taxable accounts.

Problem is stocks are so damn boring to me even though I (everyone) crushed it in 2019.

I enjoy RE investments so much more.

Post: Investor Friendly Broker in the DMV

Aaron HuntPosted
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DMV here. Can’t help much...mostly cause the DMV is a crappy place to invest. I grew up here, and we own enough properties to now know better.

The acronym isn’t well known to those outside the DMV. They assume its either a typo for DFW or it’s what we call the MVA, haha.

Too early to say if a home run, but based on what I’m reading you did your homework going in. The good news is you clearly learned from this process either way. 


Good luck as you move forward. Don’t think anyone or anything will be holding you back.

Post: Buying rental units after age 50 - Bad Idea?

Aaron HuntPosted
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We don’t discuss mortality on here...cause it’s uncomfortable. At 50...the average American has about 30 yrs left. Which means the 30 yr mortgage plan is totally shot.

I would say not useful at 50+ unless either of you have a spending problem, or have money laying around and just like owning and managing stuff.

It also depends on your estate goals and if the plan is leaving money behind in the form of properties on a stepped up basis. Can you buy in cash? If so, go for it.

They key for the average American in securing retirement is coming up with as much money/down payment leverage in their 20s and 30s, so they can pre-pay their future in the form of 30 year mortgages.

They leverage that paltry down payment with a 5% house hack and turn it into a 30 year mortgage paid for by tenants who paid for the investors retirement when the home is finally paid off.

Do this a few times, and then that’s it - you are no longer living to secure retirement. You are living to enjoy the next 3 decades and make your way out of the rat race early.