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All Forum Posts by: Stephen Fryer

Stephen Fryer has started 16 posts and replied 180 times.

Post: Long distance real estate investing

Stephen Fryer
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  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93
Originally posted by @Kevin Pfeil:

@Stephen Fryer that makes perfect sense! Seems like the best way to leverage the team that you have! So since you leverage your team during the rehab process, do you leverage them when you purchase a place? Aka are you having them help you with your due diligence and inspection? Also how often are you physically there throughout the project (if you're even there at all?) 

Hey Kevin.

I feel that real estate, like life, is a team sport. I try to make certain that the people implicated in the outcome are involved in the process. That way we are all on the same page. The following is a high level example of my process for a fix and flip:

A) When a property is put under contract, I always include a 15 day due diligence/inspection period. During this time I will have my broker provide a CMA to ensure that the ARV that I have established is accurate.

B) I will then have my contractor and broker walk the property together and do a video call, so that we can discuss repairs required and the extent of the rehab necessary to maximize returns for the neighborhood that the property is in. No point in putting in granite counter tops and gold toilets if you're never going to realize a return on those investments.

C) If the numbers are still good we can proceed. If not, I am now armed with more precise information to go back to the seller and renegotiate.

D) Assuming that the everything is a go, I will use the scope of work that I received from my contractor to create a project plan. That way I know what work is supposed to be completed by a specific date and I can use this to manage the scope, budget and schedule of the project.

Payments to the contractor are completed in three draws; the first to get his team started and buy materials, the second to keep the project rolling and ensure that work has been completed on time, and the third when the final punch list has been satisfied.

E) I've been working with my contractor for a while now and we know how the other thinks. We speak twice a week as a rule. Monday we meet to discuss the project plan and the deliverables for the week. Friday we connect again to review progress and any challenges encountered during the week. I expect a video walk through at this time so the I can have a record of what's going on.

F) I've discovered through experience that third party oversight is a must, so I have my broker walk the property at the end of the week as well and report back on any issues that she sees. She has a vested interest in ensuring that the work proceeds smoothly, as she will be selling the property and doesn't want any unforeseen challenges at closing. As mentioned previously, final payment is only made after the punch list has been satisfied, so if we can limit surprises, the contractor can receive payment more smoothly.

G) As I mentioned previously, the process is similar for a buy and hold, but I have my property manger perform the third party oversight. They have a vested interest ensuring that things run smoothly, as they will be managing the property going forward and don't want any issues at city inspection.

I have been investing in South Bend since 2016 and have done the majority of my deals where I have never visited in person. Over the course of the last 6 months I have been visiting regularly, not to check out properties, but to meet with my stakeholders to build relationships. Those relationships have been essential in managing during the pandemic. Lucky break. 

Post: Long distance real estate investing

Stephen Fryer
Posted
  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93
Originally posted by @Paul H.:

@Stephen Fryer I'm in Ottawa as well and I am curious about the starting steps to get positioned to buy in the US. Could you point me towards any resources that I could learn from?

Hey Paul. 

Just sent you a connection request. Feel free to connect any time. Happy to share. 

Post: Long distance real estate investing

Stephen Fryer
Posted
  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93
Originally posted by @Kevin Pfeil:

@Stephen Fryer Yikes! That's a tough lesson to learn, but I'm sure you haven't made that same mistake twice. Love that quote from Reagan! It's very applicable throughout life, and I can see it being crucial in a successful investing career! So for your third party over sight would you just use your property manager to double check your contractors work? Also would you give them any incentives for those actions?

Hey Kevin. Great question.

For me, the person providing the oversight depends on the project. If I'm doing a fix and flip, my broker is providing the oversight. They have a vested interest in ensuring that the work runs smoothly so that they can get paid when they list the property. If I'm rehabbing a hold for my portfolio, I use my property manager. Same incentive. They want to make sure the work is completed quickly and up to South Bend's RSVP standard so that they can rent it quickly.

Post: Long distance real estate investing

Stephen Fryer
Posted
  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93

Hi @Kevin Pfeil

I invest in South Bend, IN and live in Ottawa, Canada. I've been in this maket since 2016. Looking back on my experience, I wish that I had implimented 3rd party oversight sooner. I trusted a contractor to manage a project, but did not have anyone overseeing his progress. It was an expensive lesson and wound up costing me $8K in a lost draw and about a month in lost time as I had to find another contractor to complete the project. 

As Ronald Reagan said "TRUST BUT VERIFY'.

Post: US Entity structure for Canadians

Stephen Fryer
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  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93

Hey There @Hai Loc

I'll preface my comments by saying that everyone's situation is different. 

I have a Canadian corp and set up a limited parnership in the US, similar to @Michael Bird, where I am the limited partner and the Canadian corp is the general partner. This way I can benefit from the flow through provisions of the treaty and protect my personal assets from liability at the same time. 

With multiple entities, this type of structure makes sense where you have sufficient cash flow from your investments to warrant paying the accountants their preparation fees. Not certain it makes sense when you have only one property and the fees would likely be greater than your profits for the year. 

Post: Asset protection/general advice for Canadian investor on a visa

Stephen Fryer
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  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93

Hey @Tuan Hoang

The answer to your question about whether having good insurance is sufficient for someone in your position probably depends on your risk tolerance. The value of owning real estate in the LLC, other than the lower tax bracket, is that it offers you some protection should someone sue. They can't chase your personal assets, generally speaking. Since you're early in your career and don't have a huge amount of assets, this may not be a big concern for you and some additonal insurance may be sufficient to cover your needs.

Post: LLC for future-Canadian

Stephen Fryer
Posted
  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93

Hey @Michael C.

I live in Ottawa and invest in South Bend, IN. Many ways to skin this cat and avoid double taxation. I'm not an accountant and don't play one on TV. I think that everyone's circumstances are different and you should speak with a cross border specialist. I'll pm you directly with a referral of someone who can help you. 

Post: Canadian Real Estate investor advice

Stephen Fryer
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  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93

Hi @Jon Thomas Ling.

I would say basic principles are the same, but there are differences in legislation that may require different approaches. 

As @Hai Loc says. Make use of the search tool here and you'll find lots of threads and many hours of interesting reading to get you started. 

Are you interested in investing in the US or Canada?

Post: USA rental Properties as a Canadian

Stephen Fryer
Posted
  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93

Hey @Aaron Dickson

I live in Ottawa and invest in South Bend, IN. I do fix and flips, wholesale a little and have properties for my own portfolio. I have been investing from a distance since 2016 and would be happy to share my experience.

Post: How to Find Property Managers While Out of State

Stephen Fryer
Posted
  • Investor
  • Ottawa ON / South Bend, IN
  • Posts 186
  • Votes 93

I've found that there are several critical points of failure when you're investing in real estate, contractors and property managers. Third party oversight is key to protecting your interests and ensuring that everyone is rowing in the same direction.