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Posted about 9 years ago

Work Backwards to Make Money

Many new investors buy a property based on various popular "rules" and then discover that they cannot rent the property at a sufficient rate to break even let alone have a positive cash flow. In this post we will talk briefly about why such "rules" fail and the approach we use to determine the offer price as well as provide a free tool that you can use on virtually any property to estimate what we call the "break-even price".

The Problem with "Rules"

We frequently hear or read about new investors who bought properties that conformed to various "rules" including the: 1% rule, 2% rule, 20% rule, etc. yet they lose money when they rent the property. Some of the reasons these rules do not work include:

• They primarily concern the purchase price not net income
• What you pay for a property has no connection to what the property will rent for.
• The rules do not take into account costs like insurance, property taxes, management, vacancy, repair, etc.
• These rules imply that there is the option of increasing the rent above market rate if necessary in order to make the property profitable. This one misbelief has lead to financial disaster for many. 

You Have Little Control Of the Rent

How much a property will rent for is largely based on two factors:

• The condition of the property
• What similar properties have rented for in the immediate area

If you are considering buying a property and all the similar properties in the area are renting for $1,000/Mo. your property is going to rent for about $1,000/Mo. However, if the property is not market ready, it will rent for less than similar properties. Can you "improve" a property such that it rents for significantly more than similar properties? No. For example, if you installed a $50,000 pool you might get $100 more per month but your costs (to maintain the pool) would increase by more than $100/Mo. Once you accept that rent is almost a constant you are well on the way to being able to determine what we call the break-even price, which is when rent equals recurring expenses. If you offer more than the break-even price you are virtually guaranteed to lose money (pre tax) in the short term.

Working Backwards from the Rent

Our approach is to start with the market rent and then work backwards to a break-even price. Our software then compares the break-even price to the asking price. If the break-even price is not significantly less than the asking price, we remove that property from further consideration.

Before we introduce the Break-Even Price Estimator tool, a little of the philosophy behind the tool. 

The basic cost/profit elements in investment real estate are as follows:

• Rent
• Debt Service (dependent on the purchase price and financing terms)
• Taxes (a percentage of purchase price)
• Insurance
• Management Fee (a percentage of rent)
• Periodic Fees (HOA dues, assessment, etc.)

There are more cost elements but these will suffice for this explanation. These elements can be divided into two categories: elements over which you have limited or no control and elements over which you have total control. (Note,"profit" is another recurring "cost" item but we will leave it out in order to simplify the math and the concept. The actual tool does include profit. )

Cost Category

Note: You have total control over the purchase price because you decide how much to offer. However, it does not mean that the offer will be accepted. Our offers are based on return, not the asking price, and our acceptance ratio is about 1 out of every 5 offers.

If we define break-even price to be the purchase price such that rent exactly equals recurring expenses, we can express this in a formula as shown below.

Rent = Debt Service + Taxes + Insurance + Management + Periodic Fees

Several of the elements are interrelated:

• Debt Service is dependent on purchase price and financing terms (down payment, interest rate, term)
• Taxes can be expressed as a percentage of the purchase price. For example, in Las Vegas a reasonable approximation of annual property taxes is 0.86% x the purchase price. In Austin, a reasonable approximation would be 2% x purchase price.
• Management fee is rent x the management fee rate. For example, the management fee our clients pay is typically 8% of collected rent.

Restating the above equation:

Rent = function(Purchase Price, Financing Terms) + (Purchase Price * Property tax Rate) + Insurance + Management % * Rent + Periodic Fees

The method of solving the above equation for Purchase Price is beyond the scope of this post. Fortunately, you don't need to solve the equation yourself now because we created a free software tool which solves it for you.  

The Break-Even Estimator

One step in our property selection analytic is to determine the break-even price for each of the 10,000 to 13,000 available properties and compare this to the asking price. If the break-even price is not significantly less than the asking price, we remove that property from further consideration. Note, just because a property passes the break-even price test does not mean that it becomes a "candidate" investment property. Each property must still pass about 50 more tests and failing any of them eliminates the property from further consideration.

Since the only subjective data required is the estimated rent (plus known constants) this is a very fast way to make an investigate/reject decision. Below is a screenshot of the Break-Even Estimator tool.

Break Even Estimator

To use it, simply enter the data for a property and click Estimate. For example, suppose you are considering a property with the following characteristics.

• Estimated rent: $1200/Mo.
• Monthly fees: $35/Mo.
• Your profit goal is 5% (ROI)
• Your loan terms are: 20% down, 30 year term and 4.5% interest rate
• Real estate taxes are .86%
• Annual landlord insurance is $450/yr.
• The management fee is 8% of collected rent.

If you entered the above information into the Break-Even Estimator and clicked the Estimate button you would see the following:

Test Case1

So, the break-even price for the above property is $203662. Try changing some of the variables and see the effect on the break-even price. Remember that this is only a quick investigate/reject tool. There are more recurring costs than what this simple tool allows. So, for example, if you could acquire the property for $180000, I would investigate further. If you thought you have to pay $200000 for the property, I would reject this property and look for another. Watch the video for more information.

Summary

What you pay for a property does not determine what the property will rent for. A fast way to evaluate whether a property has a chance of being profitable is to estimate its market rent and then work backwards to a maximum purchase price. This fundamental approach, together with about 50 more tests which our software performs, is how we are able to consistently find profitable properties for our clients. You too can use the Break-Even Estimator to do a quick investigate/reject test anywhere you are considering investing.



Comments (11)

  1. Hello @Nick Arthor,

    Thank you for the kind words. If you would like to keep up with investing in Las Vegas, subscribe to our bi-weekly newsletter. Here is a link to recent issues: Las Vegas Real Estate Investment Group Newsletter. There is a signup link on the newsletter pages. You can cancel anytime.

    Nick, people were very kind to me when I was just starting in real estate investing and my way to pay them back is to help others. So, feel free to send me an email or post a question and I will do my best to respond. If you do send a message, please send it to my email; I do not check Biggerpockets as often as I should.

    Eric Fernwood (Realtor) | VIP Realty Group |[email protected] | 702-358-8884 | Skype: ejourneyer | www.LasVegasRealEstateInvestmentGroup.com 


    1. @Eric Fernwood Thanks, also already signed up for the newsletter! 


  2. @Eric Fernwood

    Thanks again for the amazing info! How do you determine the appropriate profit requirements?

    Also, interested to hear if you have been "rejecting" or "passing" more properties lately? Or if the pass rate has held steady.


    1. Hello Nick,

      Two good questions.

      On Profit Requirements

      The minimum profit requirements depend on your time frame and goals.

      One of the many things I urge investors to consider is the fact that real estate investment hold times are in the 10+ year range. So, what happens in the future is in many ways more important that what is happening today. Yet, most of the investors I communicate with on Biggerpockets and other sites seem only concerned with ROI today.

      If you buy properties in a good location, which means that they meet the criteria below, you income is likely to rise over time while the majority of your costs are fixed.

      - Sustained profitability - The property must generate a positive cash flow today and into the foreseeable future.

      - Likely to appreciate over time - You would never buy a property just for appreciation but appreciation is very desirable. Especially when using a 1031 to reinvest equity or adapting to market changes.

      - Located in an area where you can make money and risks are low. Key factors include state income tax, property tax, insurance cost and landlord favorable regulations. Regulations include property related laws like the time and cost of evictions, rent control, code compliance requirements, etc. Nevada / Las Vegas is a business friendly state. No state taxes, evictions typically take less than 30 days and cost less than $500.

      Sustained profitability and appreciation are functions of demand. Ongoing demand is dependent on the following factors:

      • Sustainable population growth (no boom towns)

      • Increasing job quality and job quantity

      • Little or no urban sprawl. A metro area can have a stable population but areas within the metro area have a declining population or declining income.

      • The major employers are in market segments which have proven to perform in the past and are very likely to perform well in the future.

      So, if you need retirement income in 10+ years, then buy a class A property in an area very likely to both have rising rents and appreciation. You can start with a lower return today.

      Minimum return:

      I consider real estate as one investment option out of a fairly broad range of investment options. Each investment option has advantages and disadvantages. Real estate is the most forgiving of all. As long as you buy investment real estate in a good area, all but the worst mistakes will be corrected over time through appreciation, inflation and rent increases. The downside of real estate is liquidity.

      When I look at investments that offer a similar level of security to real estate in good areas I look at instruments like CDs. Currently, CDs are paying in the 1.5% to 2% range depending on the term. According to the federal government, current inflation is running between 1% and 2%, which is ridiculous. Starting in the 1990 the feds began removing all meaningful items from the inflation calculations including food, energy, etc. No matter which inflation number you choose to believe, CDs are not keeping pace with inflation. Plus, you are taxed at the capital gains tax rate of 15% on any income from the CD.

      Real estate has a clear advantage because while the biggest cost is fixed (debt service) the rents track inflation. Plus, while you are taxed at marginal rate on profit (rent - expenses - debt service interest - depreciation), few people have much in the way of taxable profits. Also, you are not taxed on appreciation, until you dispose of the property. If you wish to reinvest accumulated equity or adjust to market changes, a 1031 exchange differs taxes.

      If I were to state a minimum acceptable return on a property in a good market, I would choose 3% knowing that my return will increase over time. Others seek much higher returns in declining markets. In my opinion, they are just buying into a long term financial disaster. (See Investing in Declining Markets for more information on this subject.)

      If you are looking for cash flow today, I would look for a balanced return property (cash flow and likely appreciation) paying in the 5% to 6% range. Above this rate in the current market you are looking at the equivalent of junk bonds.

      I know this is a long-winded answer to a short question but there is no simple answer to your excellent question.

      Pass / Rejection Rate

      Another excellent question and also not a simple answer.

      We reject properties based on condition, configuration, type and rent range. This has not changed over time. For example, single family homes with one car garage properties rent for significantly less than properties with two car garages. This has not changed over the 10 years I've been in real estate. What has changed is the acceptable rate of return, which I discussed above.

      Return is based on many things including the perceived risk. During the 2008 to 2010 period, real estate returns needed to be much higher than today to attract investors. Now that real estate is stable (especially Las Vegas real estate - see: Case Study - Las Vegas and the 2008 Market Crash, the rates of return have decreased. We are still looking for the highest rates possible, which has not changed. The net effect is that our rejection / pass rate is about the same as it has been; approximately 0.1% of available properties meet our requirements. 


      1. @Eric Fernwood Wow thank you for the generous response! Love the points about inflation, evaluating alternative investments. 

        As a new investor looking to invest out-of-state (and move) to Las Vegas all your material is absolute gold and I look forward to reading more in the future. 


  3. The link to the tool was in the original post but I guess the moderator removed it. They have a legitimate desire not to "promote" external websites by allowing links. I will try posting the link as an image which should not "bleed" traffic and still enable access to the tool. When you type the following in be aware that case is important so the url must be typed exactly as shown below. If this does not work, send me an email and I will reply back with the actual link.

    Lance,

    Thank you for finding the link. I forgot that it is also on my profile page so if the above method does not work, simply go to my profile page.

    Hello Matt,

    Excellent observation and question. I can now see why what I said was confusing. I will try again but this does not mean that my answer will be any clearer than before so please ask again if I am still unclear.

    My partner and I are both engineers and have a strong belief in analytics. However, we also know that numbers cannot be blindly trusted because there is more than what numbers include. For example, a maniacally barking dog next door to a potential property will eliminate it from further consideration even though the "numbers" look great. The same is true with the Break-Even Estimator, common sense must take precedence over analytics.

    The Break-Even Estimator is only a "quick and dirty" tool for eliminating properties that do not stand a chance of being profitable. This is how I suggest you use the tool, eliminate the properties that do not have a chance of being profitable so you can focus on the ones that might be good investments. Using your example of a break-even price of $195,000 (with profit and everything included), you need to determine if $195,000 is a great deal based on a more detailed analysis than the simplistic Break-Even Estimator. The Break-Even Estimator does not include such major cost factors as rehab cost. In Las Vegas, typical rehab cost is about $3/SqFt. In other areas of the country, the cost can exceed $75/SqFt What It's Actually Like To Buy A $500 House In Detroit. So, in reality, there will always be more costs than what the tool includes. This is why I recommend a "buffer" between the estimated break even price and the asking price.

    The Break-Even Estimator is a tool, not a rule, so use it with common sense and understand it's limitations. I hope I clarified the purpose of the Break-Even Estimator. if not, let me know.


  4. Where is the VIDEO link?  

    Also why introduce us to the break-even estimator if you're not going to share it with the readers..???


    1. I found the break even estimator and video on the author's bio-page.  Here is the link.

      http://www.lasvegasrealestateinvestmentgroup.com/app/breakEvenEstimator.html



  5. Where can I get the free tool?


  6. Nice article, and a great way to analyze properties.  I have a question though.  You say that If the break-even price is not significantly less than the asking price, we remove that property from further consideration.  I don't get that.  If a property's asking price is $200K and the estimator tool suggests a break even price of $195K, I would say that is not significantly less than asking price.  However, I would consider this a good thing, as you don't have to negotiate that far below the asking price to get to break even.  However, if you do what you suggest - only consider properties that have a breakeven significantly below asking price, you would have a hell of a time negotiating down to that level.  I am guessing this is not what you meant by your statement, so maybe I misunderstood.  Would you please elaborate?