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Posted almost 10 years ago

On REITs, Part I

REIT - A acronym I’ve heard on Bloomberg News.
REIT - Something my brother-in-law told me to buy in 2012.
REIT - An institutional investment vehicle.
REIT - An institutional investment vehicle with interests in real estate.
REIT - Real Estate Investment Trust

Investopedia defines Real Estate Investment Trust:

A security that sells like a stock on the major exchanges and invests in real estate directly, either through properties or mortgages. REITs receive special tax considerations and typically offer investors high yields, as well as a highly liquid method of investing in real estate.

I am a REIT investor, I am also a real estate investor. I don’t think of the two in the same category. Here is my attempt to explain why:

REITS

In both my retirement and taxable portfolios, REITs make up a little less than 9% of my total holdings. As an asset class, this is a smaller percentage, especially when you look at the split being about 60/40 domestic vs. foreign REITs. In other words: 6% of my portfolio is held in Domestic REITs and 4% in foreign REIT interests.

NUMBERS

In the last 3 years, REITs and particularly domestic REITs have performed immensely well. In the last year alone, both my domestic and foreign REIT funds have grown 24.79% and 16.34% respectively. In the last three years, both are much closer to 40% and 30% in gain. Both have paid healthy SEC dividends always north of 2.5%.

Normal 1424365160 Screen Shot 2015 02 19 At 11It should go without saying that this past year has been tremendous for REIT investments. It has also been tremendous for the S&P 500. Most corporate stock gains happened in the few years prior to 2014-15, and REITs have been largely trailing them. Given that, it’s also probably not the greatest time to get into REITs: they’ve got nowhere to go, but down.

Despite all their success, and despite my happiness with buying REITs in 2011 (when nobody suggested such investment vehicles), I do not consider it part of my real estate investing:

REIT - No physical assets in an interest I control
REIT - No use of leverage… OPM Denied!
REIT - Institutional bloat
REIT - Institutional risk

Sure you have physical assets. They are held by the company!

Not really. I don’t have a great grasp on baseline value. Not to mention the fact that in a liquidation scenario, the company would have obligations to pay unrelated to my own.

I cannot control the ethics of the management, the ethics of other owners, the strategies pursued. I cannot assure that my REITs are not tackling bubble or unsustainable markets.

You can use leverage. Trade on margin!

The return value on a bad institutional asset can be close to 0. When my debt collectors come, I want to have something to put in their hands. As a person, who lives under a roof, I recognize the intrinsic value of a home.

I want to use other people’s money. It’s one of the best aspects of real estate investing.

Also, I don’t recommend trading on margin, in any case.

Institutional Bloat

REITs have overhead: expenses, salaries, compliance, taxes, and the list goes on. I can assure you this is larger part of my investment than the 20% (+/- 10) I pay out yearly for maintenance and expenses on a single family home.

Institutional Risk

I didn’t buy a house in a good neighborhood with good demand. I bought shares of a company that is subject to the usual risks of the business cycle. Let’s call this what it is, but it’s very different than owning a single asset or even several assets that are protected from one another (check out BP podcast 109 for more on that). 


Comments (14)

  1. The Fundraise eREIT addresses my primary concerns with REIT's. It lacks immediate liquidity, but since it is not openly traded, its share price is actually based on the assets it holds, and not the market's subjective impression of the value of those assets.   You might have to wait a while to get in though.


    1. @Ed Matson

      I think REI crowdfunding will bring much more efficiency to this market. Despite that, residential real estate is still very local. Landlords and local operators will always have the same kind of upper-hand the town law firm does when winning bids. Just my guess.


  2. Thanks for sharing, Trevor. This is a good post because I think there is a place for REITs in many people's portfolios, yet when we think of real estate investing we tend to think of holding actual property. I also love the variety of REITs to gain exposure in markets that I might not normally invest in.


    1. I certainly agree with you. This can / should be a part of a diversified strategy. Many people don't like it because it's boring, but boring can make $.


  3. Hello Trevor,

    Thanks for sharing. What I like about REITs is the fact that investors with limited knowledge. time, or budget can get a part of the action at a fraction of a cost. Further, REITs are backed by real physical properties, making them comparatively reliable.  


  4. sorry for the multiple posts. I kept hitting "post" and nothing happened.

  5. @Trevor Ewen, I am curious though what it might be like to assemble a nicely diversified (i.e. less risky) portfolio of REITs (even a couple non public ones) and margin the portfolio. Margin risk is always something to think about, but if the interest rate is low, and you margin <50% (i.e. you buy $150K in REITs with $100k in money) your margin call risk is pretty low. As long as your interest rate is lower than the total return of your REIT portfolio, you've got an entirely new "asset class" on your hands.

  6. @Trevor Ewen, I am curious though what it might be like to assemble a nicely diversified (i.e. less risky) portfolio of REITs (even a couple non public ones) and margin the portfolio. Margin risk is always something to think about, but if the interest rate is low, and you margin <50% (i.e. you buy $150K in REITs with $100k in money) your margin call risk is pretty low. As long as your interest rate is lower than the total return of your REIT portfolio, you've got an entirely new "asset class" on your hands.

  7. @Trevor Ewen, I am curious though what it might be like to assemble a nicely diversified (i.e. less risky) portfolio of REITs (even a couple non public ones) and margin the portfolio. Margin risk is always something to think about, but if the interest rate is low, and you margin <50% (i.e. you buy $150K in REITs with $100k in money) your margin call risk is pretty low. As long as your interest rate is lower than the total return of your REIT portfolio, you've got an entirely new "asset class" on your hands.

  8. @Trevor Ewen, I am curious though what it might be like to assemble a nicely diversified (i.e. less risky) portfolio of REITs (even a couple non public ones) and margin the portfolio. Margin risk is always something to think about, but if the interest rate is low, and you margin <50% (i.e. you buy $150K in REITs with $100k in money) your margin call risk is pretty low. As long as your interest rate is lower than the total return of your REIT portfolio, you've got an entirely new "asset class" on your hands.

  9. @Trevor Ewen, I am curious though what it might be like to assemble a nicely diversified (i.e. less risky) portfolio of REITs (even a couple non public ones) and margin the portfolio. Margin risk is always something to think about, but if the interest rate is low, and you margin <50% (i.e. you buy $150K in REITs with $100k in money) your margin call risk is pretty low. As long as your interest rate is lower than the total return of your REIT portfolio, you've got an entirely new "asset class" on your hands.

    1. @Kenneth LaVoie

      Money is definitely cheap right now. I do think a lot of the good returns are out of the market, and I definitely do not buy equities on margin. That whole lack of physical value thing is tough. 

      There are emotional forces (read Greece) that cause things to float around and make it tough to pay back loans. 

      Other people feel comfortable with it, and you have to do your own thing. I buy physical properties with debt, and that seems to be enough to lose a little sleep over for me.


  10. What about a specific REIT in a specific building in a specific city? Recently ran across an IPO for a high rise business building downtown Boston. The REIT is being brought public and is specifically for this one particular building...at least as far as I can see based off the prospectus. The old will hold about 48% of the building/property. This is an already well established business building with near full occupancy. Is this similar to what your describing or is there a difference? Thank you for the post and the insight!


    1. @John McConnell

      I definitely have less experience with that kind of REIT. With that small size, however, I would imagine it performs a bit more like a real estate syndication. In this case, it's probably more like a physical real estate investment. I would caution one thing that a REIT that small, traded on the exchange, could be a likely candidate for Liquidation Risk. Which I have outlined in the linked article.