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Posted almost 9 years ago

Wholesaling

There has been more discussions in the Biggerpockets Forums about "wholesaling" than most any other topic. In hundreds of posts I've made it pretty clear that the methods used have legal and ethical issues. I thought it was about time I clear the air on the subject as to some of the underlying problems with the methods being taught and give better solutions.

THE CONCEPT:

 The concept is not new, a "straw man" sale is hundreds of years old. A "straw man" (without respect to gender) is the brokering of a sale or other transaction where an owner contracts with an agent to facilitate a sale or other transaction with a third party to facilitate the owner's desired outcome. This definition I use, because you can broker the sale, lease, or any service for the owner of personal or real property. 

While this method of agency generally and most often requires a real estate license let's recognize reality. The intent of licensing laws are clearly designed to protect the public from unethical and illegal practices, to protect title rights and the equity of property owners. 

Let's also recognize that it can be very difficult for a property owner who has a "distressed" property or situation to obtain the services of a real estate broker or agent. Here are some reasons why:

1. Timing of a needed transaction required by an owner may not be met by a Realtor through their conventional sales methods. There are many reasons for liquidation sales and the time allowed of given to effect a transaction that may only be met when there is a known buyer or third party. 

2. Market conditions for a distressed property are never under the best circumstances, they are distressed because the property condition, physical, intrinsic or transfer of title, impact marketability. The use of the property may be limited due to condition or title defects.

3. Pricing of a distressed property or pricing under a distressed situation will always be lower than a comparable property due to it's condition, as a distressed situation must be cured in order to increase its value. 

4. Liability assumed by Realtors generally increases with their activities in curing a distressed situation or with disclosures concerning the intended use of a property. Most Realtors avoid known or unknown problems. Understand too, that most Realtors cannot charge 10% commissions on a residential property, nor can they begin to get into legal, accounting, estate planning or advising in financial maters that may be required to cure any distressed situation an owner may have.

5. Specialization is the last reason most Realtors don't break down the door to obtain a listing on a distressed property. While there are Realtors that specialize with investment properties and investors, most do not. A new Realtor who just obtained a license, without other training, will not have a clue as to bidding repairs or construction costs, they probably are not title examiners or a lawyer or a financial advisor. 

Locating a Realtor willing to take on the listing of a distressed property will be a challenge. Locating a Realtor with the required knowledge, willing to contract at a reasonable commission rate for compensation to cure issues, considering a lower price, having access to a market of buyers in a timely manner while accepting icreased liability exposures aren't on the top of any Realtor's list of requirements in seeking clients.

That translates into a market need that is going unserved or under served and is a justification for services by real estate operators, but more so with operators who hold a real estate license.   

THE MEAT OF CONTRACTS:

While we have established a legitimate need in the market to assist distressed property owners, it's not the need causing conflicting opinions about wholesaling, it's the methods employed by wholesalers.

What we have are gurus selling the idea that anyone can wholesale and they can do so without any money, without credit, without a job or without any other educational requirement. Now, to me, this seems to market a program to the some of most misinformed, broke, least trustworthy and most irresponsible in society, really, the guy has no clue, no money, has no job responsibility and his word is reflected by his credit score!  While this target market might be full of nice people, the gurus are playing directly to the uniformed. More on this aspect later.

The methods taught are loaded with legal and unethical tactics. The most common way it appears is for a wholesaler to enter into a sale contract with an owner, then assign that sale contract for a fee to a real buyer. The gurus keep squawking that assigning a contract is legal, well it is depending on the type of contract assigned. Bilateral contracts may be assigned without the specific consent of a party required to act, such as a seller, unless the contract stipulates consent must be given. A unilateral may not be assigned without specific consent by the party who is owed performance, like a lender. This is mentioned to explain why wholesalers cannot assign loan obligations with a sale contract, because they are different types of contracts.

Let's first understand what a real estate sale contract does, when made the contract transfers an equitable interest in the property and legal title is in limbo, it can't be transferred or assigned with the equitable title granted until the contract is settled. 

With a sale contract, the buyer doesn't just have an equitable or financial interest in the contract but also in the real estate as to the rights in title. In contrast, an option contract grants an equitable interest in the contract to buy property but does not grant any interest in the property itself. In a sale contract there is a conveyance of ownership interests granted to the buyer from the seller. 

The amount of the interest is most often recognized as being in the value of the down payment made, a hundred dollar deposit on a $500,000 property doesn't convey an equitable interest in the property equal to $500,000! An agreed value may be stated in a sale contract, this equitable interest may be to the extent of amounts payable in the event of default by either party. The point being, the equitable interest may be stated or implied by contract or it may be limited to the amount at risk, the financial risk associated with the down payment.

Contract law requires that contracts must be entered into in good faith, there must be a meeting of the minds, that sufficient consideration be given along with competency requirements and that neither party is acting to an excessive detriment with the contract having a legal purpose. These aspects of contract law are uniform, they are applicable in all states. 

THE CONTRACT ISSUE WITH WHOLESALERS:

Let's set aside all of the opinions concerning license requirements to facilitate a sale. Instead, let's examine the sale contract more closely. Let's see if we are meeting the requirements for a valid contract under contract law.

We will assume that the parties are competent to contract, that is the assumption of the courts, we will also assume that the value given is sufficient, that selling the property is legal and that neither party is acting grossly to their own detriment or disadvantage. That leaves meeting of the minds and acting in good faith!

Now, read the covenants or promises made in a sale contract. "Buyer agrees to purchase and Seller agrees to sell" it will have similar language. What a sale contract does not say is "Buyer agrees to find another buyer" a sale contract is not a wholesaling contract. 

Good faith is an implied covenant in contract law, it means the parties cannot act with deceit or omission of material facts, things should be understood by both parties in contracting. It also means having the ability to act as promised. If you promise to do something and you do not have the ability to perform, you are not acting in good faith. Frankly, anyone who has no money, no job and bad credit knows the cannot perform in a contract to purchase a property as they contracted!

Meeting of the minds, requires a "mutual assent and consensus ad idem" a legal phrase that requires the intentions of the parties are understood and agreed to, where the contract reflects the common understanding of both parties.

Is anyone drawing any conclusions yet? When a wholesaler executes a contract promising to buy, but they have no intention of buying, nor do they have the ability to buy as agreed in the contract, the contract isn't worth beans, nor can it be enforced, nor were they acting in good faith! If the wholesaler leaves the owner standing with the impression they are buying, you grossly missed the requirement of any "meeting of the minds", you knew you weren't buying but the seller didn't understand that at all. You are deceiving the owner if you do not inform them of your intentions to find another buyer or to market the contract to others! 

Following these guru tactics simply takes you to a position of lying and deceiving the owner, even those who say they disclose intentions, I have serious reservations that such disclosures are simply dancing around the bush and don't really provide a clear picture of the strategy. 

This is what the real underlying issue is with state real estate commissions, the license requirement is an issue but the conduct of most wholesalers is the reason they bring out the big guns nailing someone for not complying with license requirements. This matter was mentioned as the concern by officials of the Ohio Real Estate Commission in an interview this past year.  Since this area of contract law is uniform, it's highly unlikely any state would view this differently.  

TORTUOUS CONDUCT:

A "tort" is a civil wrong and tortuous conduct is any act or failure to act that causes another party injury, either a physical or financial injury. Everyone who deals in real estate must be aware that causing a financial loss by intentionally or negligently acting in some matter or failing to act prudently can be held legally responsible. I'm sure this area of law is applied everyday in real estate matters across the country. It is often the basis of law suits and can lead to opening the doors to other violations of law. 

How can we injure an owner by wholesaling under a blanket of deceit? Very easily, as beginning wholesalers usually are not aware of the difference between dealing with a property that is occupied and one that is vacant.

In either case, occupied or vacant, a loss can be suffered by an owner by locking up a property under a sale contract where the buyer has no intention to buy or the ability to buy as agreed. A property under contract is harder to market trying to obtain any "back-up" contracts from the public, if it can be done at all.

A wholesaler who fails to finish a transaction has caused the owner valuable marketing time, it might be during the peak selling period and their best change of getting a good or better offer, they don't need to prove that really as the law favors the owner over a buyer. 

A prudent seller acts based on the contract they hold, if they believe their property is sold, they may begin looking at other properties, they may contract for another property putting money down contingent on closing or, they may just hope you close as other sellers may not accept such contingencies. 

Occupied owners make plans to move out, they may store furniture, enter into lease agreements, I know of claims won where the owner ate out because appliances were moved, stayed at a motel before moving into a leased premises, had gas expenses looking for another place to live. Dealing over an empty property you usually won't have these additional exposures to liability.

All of these types of things can add up to financial losses simply because a wholesaler mislead an owner and failed to close as agreed. These types of losses are known as consequential damages or special damages that can be shown to have occurred because one party failed to meet a contractual obligations. This goes beyond failure to perform and into losses arising from the failure to fulfill contract obligations.

Without understanding the basics of real estate and how prudent people may rely on your promises, you can not assess your risks and assumed liability in wholesaling!

HOW DO WE AVOID WHOLESALING ISSUES?

I agree, there is a service in the marketplace for specialists to conduct wholesaling activities, however it must be accomplished legally and ethically.

Here is a copy of a post I made today to someone wanting to wholesale a seller financed transaction:                  

        I would not use a sale contract, I'd use an option to purchase. I would not assign the option but terminate my right to purchase for a fee allowing the owner to provide the seller financing with the buyer. I would not contract in anyway with the buyer other than agreeing to terminate my option rights. The seller or the buyer may pay my [release] fee. This way you'll be further away from the issues of wholesaling having agreements between the two other parties and seeking a spread on the price as a commission or fee. I would verbally disclose the intended transaction to the owner. I would also allow at least 3 days to pass holding the option before having the buyer and owner contract. A title company will not have an issue with you simply clearing an encumbrance. Good luck :)

Understand, this is a one time transaction, not wholesaling as a business (which I will cover in another blog). 

By using a short term option contract, I'm no longer in a position to perform anything, I'm not saying I will buy! The owner may not really act prudently in other matters based on my right to purchase. I'm staying away from facilitating a transaction making contracts between the owner and buyer, I'm not entering an agency relationship, they can make their own deal. Someone needs to pay my release fee to release the encumbrance (it's not a lien) otherwise, I could buy later under my option from the other buyer! Title folks don't have any issue with receiving or paying money to release encumbrances. The value of my fee is not based on any service of facilitating the deal, it's based on the value of my option. 

There are even better methods to wholesale by taking title, if you're in the business of wholesaling you will need to learn how to take a title interest instead of dealing in options on a continuous basis, being in the business is much different than doing one transaction.

I'll close for now, hopefully new wholesalers and even the older dealers will start to understand the issues of this game. I'll go into other methods of wholesaling soon, until then, study, learn, do, Good luck! :)  



Comments (25)

  1. Hi BP

    Ok so I'm new here new to the whole REI game. I'm looking to get into wholesaling and by reading this blog I must say I'm a little scared and confused by what I'm reading. So I'm going to tell you my situation. I have a friend and we live in New York . He's a absentee landlord of a house on a acre of land in NC. He just wants out knowing he's going to lose on the house. my friend the seller is asking under $90,000 for the house . The seller just sing another contract for another six months. This seller is motivated to sell he don't want the property no longer. At this time is there any way I can make this deal happen with out breaking any laws. Also is there any investors reading this that maybe looking to buy another property? If contact me here and I'll get the necessary paper work need. Thanks in advanced.


    1. I've read your post a few times and I still don't think I understand what you are doing exactly.

      Are you saying that your friend has a property that he doesn't want to own anymore? If that is the case then why does he not want to own it? What problems does he solve by selling the property?


      1. If Elliot comes back, he needs to take his question into the forums, unless he wants to employ TIC, TAC, TOE with his friend. :) 


  2. Roy, LOL, yes and Zack needs to play Lotto when he gets out in 6 months as he won't be in real estate!

    Philip, there are two sides of any option (as you know) the "financial" side and the "real" side. Wholesaling will be more of a play on the financial side, no intent to purchase the property but only holding the option for the increase in value. So, the option price will be as low as possible, it's also with the understanding that the option is being used to arrange a purchase or have another investor purchase, with that understanding the option price will be effected by the term agreed to.  

    Thank you Kimberly!  In my mind, gurus are simply criminal in how they exploit others, sophisticated con artists disguised as real estate educators. There is no free ride and anything that makes money requires knowledge and effort.

    Terica, visit GREA, a free course in the basics of real estate as well as an option course, I'll be showing "step by step" requirements but understand the basics first. The road in real estate has many intersections, situations present road blocks, you need to know where to turn getting around the road blocks to reach your destination safely. 

    Understanding real estate includes understanding what others involved in a transaction may do and how they react, what their next step will be. Giving property owners a false impression can have serious consequences.  :)        


    1. Ah I see. So if you had an option to buy for 1 month then it might be 1000$ whereas if you had an option for 6 months then you might pay 6000$ for it. I like this a lot more than a sales contract. The seller gets a small kick and the wholesaler has something holding him/her accountable to following through on the transaction. It should definitely be the accepted method for wholesaling!

    2. Ah I see. So if you had an option to buy for 1 month then it might be 1000$ whereas if you had an option for 6 months then you might pay 6000$ for it. I like this a lot more than a sales contract. The seller gets a small kick and the wholesaler has something holding him/her accountable to following through on the transaction. It should definitely be the accepted method for wholesaling!

    3. GREA? Link please.


      1. https://generalrealestateacademy.com/

        I think this is okay in the blogs, it's on my signature in the forums. Thanks for asking :)


  3. Hi Bill. That was some amazing info! I'm so anxious to read the step by step on option to purchase and how to take title. Thank you very much. :-)


  4. THANK YOU Bill Gulley!!!   This has got to be one of the best things I have seen on BP, and that's saying something! 

    Gurus drive me insane. The vast majority of them are doing nothing other than preying on people,taking their money and teaching them just enough to be dangerous. I am so glad that you went this deep and gave this much information, AND you did it for free ;) 

    For all the newbies, as well as some of the active wholesalers, the most important thing you need to understand is that there is no "get rich easy" when it comes to Real Estate. Those that tell you the rags to riches stories and then offer to show you the door to financial freedom in a 3 day seminar are full of crap. Bill Gulley is 1000% correct, it takes a lot of knowledge to legally and ethically pull off wholesaling. You are playing in a very specialized area, an area that can have many landmines. If you don't know the correct path, you could get your face blown off. Think about this....if wholesaling were so easy, wouldn't more Realtors be wholesaling instead of working for little 3-6% commissions? 


  5. Bill,

    Typically when an option is created the person with the option puts down a decent down payment that gets credited when the option is exercised. Would that still happen in this case or, would you try to agree to a low or no down payment?


  6. Curt, yes and thank you, however, saying "I will buy your house" is actually the first lie, the wholesaler will not be buying, they don't intend to buy. Entering a purchase contract simply adds to the deception if a standard purchase agreement is used. The wholesaler has no intention, nor do they have the means generally, to perform the promises spelled out in a purchase contract. Using a purchase contract exposes the wholesaler to tortuous conduct under tort law, the purchase contract may not be enforceable under those conditions, deception of intent and means or the ability to buy.

    Adrien this approach really has nothing to do with an end buyer, it's not the end buyer's neck on the chopping block getting into an agency relationship or acting as a broker, it's to provide more "protection" for the wholesaler. 

    (Okay, LOL, here it goes Philip just as you asked for a simple story)

    While this has some embellishment for emphasis showing damages that can occur (and do  occur) this follows a real life case where buyers defaulted under a purchase contract.

    Zack and Jane

    by: Bill 

    See Zack run? See Jane run? See Zack talking to Mr. Owner of a FSBO? Zack said "I will buy your house" the owner said "great!" See Zack and the owner signing a purchase contract for the house? See Zack smile? See the Mr. Owner smile? They are both happy. 

    Zack is broke, not a hundred dollars to his name. Zack knows he can't buy a house. Zack has the intention to sell  his purchase contract for a fee. See Zack run off waving to Mr. Owner?

    Mr. Owner thinks he has sold his house! Mr. Owner tells Mrs. Owner, they are both very happy. Mrs. Owner the says to Mr. Owner, "Oh my, we have a lot to do, let's pack up everything we don't really need and get ready to move!" Mr. Owner agrees with Mrs. Owner and says "yes dear, we also need to find another place to live, we can't live here any more".

    Mrs. Owner starts boxing up all her dishes and nick-nacks, wrapping them very carefully. Mrs. Owner asks Mr. Owner "honey, where should we put all these boxes?" Mr. Owner thinks and then says "dear, I will rent a storage building and move the boxes there until we find a place to move to." The reason Mrs. Owner married Mr. Owner was because she thinks he is a very smart man, not a rich man, just a smart man. The minimum lease term on the storage facility is 6 months for $750, it's the only space available and Mr. Owner takes it.

    Where is Zack? See Zack on the phone? Zack is trying to find someone to sell his contract to for a big fee. Why was Zack so happy before, he is not happy now?

    Because Zack got a purchase contract to buy the Owner's house for $100,000, but he thought it was worth $130,000 and he figures with $10,000 the house can be much prettier. If someone makes the house nicer Zack thinks the house will be worth $150,000! Zack knew he got a good deal with the house under his purchase contract. But.....

    Zack isn't happy now because he thought John the investor would buy his contract. John is not interested right now in buying another house. Now, Zack has to work to sell his house.

    Zack finds someone interested in buying the house and wants to see it. Oh my, now Zack has to arrange for Tom, his buyer to see the house. Zack calls Mr. Owner and says "you know those inspection clauses we agreed to, I have someone who I need to inspect the house, when can we do this while you and your wife are not home?" Mr. Owner says "Anytime, just give us an hour's notice and we can go somewhere, no problem". Zack is happy again!

    There are only 45 days left to their scheduled closing and Zack and Tom go look at the house.

    Mr. and Mrs. Owner go for a drive. They see a very nice home that says "For Rent". They stop and look, the Landlord is there and shows them the house. The old tenants have moved out of town but thee are still dirty areas that the landlord must clean up. The landlord says he can lease it in 15 days and will advertise it soon. 

    Mr. and Mrs. Owner love the house they found. They don't want to lose the chance to lease it. The landlord wants $1,200 in rents and a $500 non-refundable cleaning fee along with a security deposit of $2,400. The landlord says "if you want the house, pay the amounts needed and your lease will begin in 15 days!

    Mr. Owner thinks a moment and tells Mrs. Owner and the landlord he should make a call first.

    Mr. Owner calls Zack, "Hi Zack, just wanted to ask how things are going with our deal" Zack knows he has 45 days left, plenty of time on this great deal and Tom wants to buy his contract after he talks to his wife, Linda. So Zack tells Mr. Owner happily that "everything is great, I have everything under control"!

    Mr. Owner is smiling a big smile. Mrs. Owner understands the house is sold and her very smart husband just talked to the buyer, everything seems good. Mr. Owner writes a check to the landlord, the landlord who is also smiling. Mr. Owner asks the landlord if he can just move in a few boxes into the big garage. The landlord knows better, but agrees to the storage arrangement if Mr. Owner accepts responsibility and waives his deposits allowing the lease to be in effect in 15 days. They all agree.

    Mr. and Mrs. Owner are driving home and very happy everything is working out. Then, Mrs. Owner says "honey, with that rent paid with deposits, our rental storage fee and our last house payment due, we will have to eat hot dogs next month!" "Honey, when were you going to move the stove and refrigerator?" Mr. Owner says "I'll move the big stuff when our lease goes into effect, in 15 days. 

    Zack calls Tom a few days later and asks for a deposit on the deal. Tom wants the house but says "I have to wait until 5 days before closing when our funds will be available to buy the house". Tom explains the money is in a joint CD with Linda and Zack thinks that's not unusual and agrees to wait. Tom offers Zack a "Letter of Intent To Purchase" just to see Zack smile. Zack gets the letter and is smiling real big!

    Mr. and Mrs Owner keep packing things up taking more things to storage and to the garage in their new home. Mr. Owners tells his wife, "honey, my back won't let me move all this big furniture and appliances, I need some movers!"

    So, Mr. Owner gets bids from moving companies. Wow, $4,500 is the lowest bid  and they can move everything in two days. 

    Mrs. Owner says "honey, we will have to draw money out of our IRA to pay the movers and some for living expenses until we get our money at closing, then we can pay it back"! Mr. Owner agrees, he has a very smart wife!

    They have their things moved by the movers, but the utilities at the rental have not been turned over yet, not until 15 days before closing! They also have to put in an order to turn off the utilities at their old house. This means the Owners have a 5 day gap living without utilities. The Owners are not looking forward to camping out while moving little things and getting the new home ready. They are not smiling about that, but are still happy with the sale.

    Zack in the mean time drives by the house he has under contract. Zack sees the Owners aren't at home. Zack stops and peaks in the window to see the empty house. Zack is happy, the property is ready for Tom to buy. 

    The Owners got a motel room for their 5 day gap instead of camping out without utilities. They also have to eat out everyday. It's a good thing the Owners got extra money out of their IRA because the motel bill is $625 and they are spending $250 eating out! The Owners have had extra gas bills running around moving, eating out, staying further away from their jobs when they had to go in. It all comes to an extra $1,000.00!

    It's time the Owners add up their costs with all this. They count;

    Storage fees,     $   750.00

    Rent expense     $4,100.00

    Moving expense $4,000.000        

    Living Expenses $1,000.00

    __________________________

                     $9,850.00

    "WOW" says Mr. Owner, that adds up, but we are still good making $32,000 from our sale! 

    Next day, 6 days before closing, title work was done, assignment is ready to be signed, Zack is celebrating his deal. 

    Tom calls Zack and says "Man, I'm in shock, Linda filed for divorce, she's running off with my plumber who makes more than I do, I never saw this coming! Sorry Zack, she won't sign to get the money out and doesn't want anymore property to mess with. I can't buy that place, sorry man!

    See Zack cry? Zack is not happy at all! Poor Zack!

    Well, after poor Zack composed himself, he has to call Mr. Owner.

    And Zack says...."ah, ah, ah, Mr. Owner?" (yes Zack?), "Something came up and I can't buy your house. Sorry, but my "partner" didn't agree, something came up with him and he can't agree to the contract!" 

    Mr. Owner: "What, what partner, what are you talking about?"

    Zack, on the attachment to the contract I had "purchase subject to partner approval" my partner doesn't approve! I can't buy it!

    I can't write any more about what Mr. Owner said, but he was not smiling. No, he was not happy, in fact he was very mad!

    Mr. Owner had to tell Mrs. Owner, oh, that wasn't good either! Mrs. Owner got very mad at Mr. Owner, "I thought you were a smart man, you idiot, you let that guy scam us into thinking he was buying the house and now we are out thousands of dollars. We can't pay back the IRA and we will have tax penalties on top of that! Maybe Linda has the right idea, you idiot!"

    Oh boy, Now Mr. Owner is really mad!

    He calls his attorney's office, Dewy, Cheatum & Howe and tells Mr. Dewy what happened.

    Now, being a great attorney, Dewy tell Mr. Owner to sign some papers at his office and he will take the case. Mr. Dewy is Mrs Owner's cousin in law and he doesn't require a big retainer, just costs and they agree to part of any collections from the suit as his fee.

    On behalf of Mr. and Mrs Owner, Dewy files suit against poor Zack!

    Specific performance and Tortuous Conduct for damages, real and special damages. That means Dewy is seeking for all financial damages related to Zack's contract and his conduct, every dime, even the tip at the cafe where they ate out, every deposit, gas money, motel bills, not only that but the costs in breaking the lease contract with the landlord, who will be another injured party. 

    Mr. Dewy also checks on Zack, he finds out Zack holds himself out as a wholesaler, dealing in real estate. He also finds that Zack doesn't have a license. Dewy turns the matter over to the local DA, laws appear to have been broken, no business license, no real estate license, fraudulent dealing since Zack couldn't perform nor had the ability to perform. A search of records at the Secretary of State's office shows Zack doesn't have any partnership with anyone! The State Real Estate Commission is also contacted to investigate. Poor Zack! 

    Mr. and Mrs Owner, Mr. Dewy and Zack, representing himself because he's broke, all appear before Judge Hammer. 

    Mr. Dewy pleads the case against Zack. The Judge asks Zack "where is your partner that you mentioned, implying you had in this contract"? 

    Zack: Ah, ah, ah, ah, he's just a buy I have worked with before your honor. '  

    Judge: So, you don't have a true business partner is that right?

    Zack: No your honor, I guess not.

    Judge: Is the court to understand that your intentions were not to purchase the property but to sell your contract to another buyer?

    Zack: Yes, your honor, investors call it "wholesaling" I just....

    Judge: Interrupts Zack, when you made this contract, did you have the intention of buying the property at all, did you have the ability to buy the property as agreed?

    Zack: I guess not your honor, my credit isn't that good. 

    Judge: Did you tell Mr. Owner you had everything under control implying to him that his sale would close?

    Zack: Yes, I may have said something like that.....I had a buyer....

    Judge: Interrupts again, Do you have a license to act as a broker or agent in a real estate transaction?

    Zack: No, your honor I don't.

    Judge: Did you or did you not make an arrangement to allow someone else, your "buyer" to see the property you contracted for? 

    Zack: Yes, your honor I let my buyer see the property.

    Judge: After hearing the facts of this civil case, this courts finds that Zack mislead, deceived and made false claims under the contract in this matter, that the conduct of Zack was intentional and negligent tortuous causing financial damages in the amount claimed. This court also finds under the circumstances of the conduct and illegal activities that punitive damages of $25,000 shall be awarded and judgment for Owners is hereby awarded.

    In addition to this civil matter, this case shall be turned over to the State Real Estate Commission with respect to the unauthorized practice of real estate and to the District Attorney for a determination of fraudulent dealing in this matter. 

    Dismissed!

    Poor Zack, his credit is a whole lot worse now! He's financially ruined and may get to wear an orange jump suit before it's all over with. 

    This whole matter would not have happened if Zack had used an Option Contract instead of a Sale Contract!

    The Owners could never have assumed a sale was taking place with an Option Contract! If they went out and spent money, they could not say they did so  in hopes that Zack would exercise his option to buy.

    No, I didn't forget about Jane, Jane is running with an Option Contract in her hands, see Jane run? We will watch Jane next time, soon. 

    It was in fun but it's on a very serious subject! :) 

            

        


    1. Bill,

      You forgot the corollary to the story:  Mr. Owner was sporting a faint smile as he lead the still Mrs. Owner from the courtroom.   As they returned to the parking lot, Mr. Dewey, his attorney and cousin-in-law, turned to the owners and said, "I know $25,000.00 seems reasonable for all you have been through, but you do realize the odds of actually collecting this funds from Zack are 90 to 1.  The good news is, I'm giving you the family discount on my fees, so my bill is just $3500.00"


    2. Hi Bill, I know the issue as a writer you ended up word smithing so as to be self entertaining (the dick and jane thing).  Funny.

      Which this story is NOT how 99% of wholesalers find deals, which are 99% of the time vacant.  And the seller is stuck and can;t sell via any other means due to very poor condition of the property.

      But if the house is occupied yes I can see this happening as you said this is a true story.  I can see this blowing up for everyone.  To me, besides the goal of learning this option contract tactic, never fool with occupied properties even with an option (JMHO).

      My view and advice within my REIA is to move on if the property is occupied.  The seller needs to list with an agent, since it's "livable".  Let me work on this option tactic now.

      Thanks Bill.


  7. Adrien, "up front with the seller that you are finding a buyer" is a licensed agent's role.  Wholesalers can only say "I will buy your house" that is the ONLY phrase they can give (when using the P&S contract).   This is another area where wholesalers get in trouble, what "service" the wholesaler is providing to the seller.  "I'm buying" or "I'm finding a buyer" big difference in most state's RE laws.

    Bill, When using the option contract, what can the wholesaler tell the seller?   (I suspect this will be packaged in what Phillip is saying is coming).

    Bill I suspect you are surprised this topic has gotten so tedious in the details?  LOL  But new folks need it spelled out to understand why in the heat of the sellers kitchen blurting out a statement like "don't worry I will find a buyer for this property" is one of the worst things you can say to a seller (as an unlicensed wholesaler).


    1. So can you address the issue of a license agent performing the duties of a wholesaler- why is there conflict there? Either way the individual bringing the deal together is getting paid by the seller- either as a RE commission or as a wholesale fee. Getting a license isn't a big deal. 


  8. So there seems to be 2 issues with wholesalers: the contract and the marketing of said contract. If a wholesaler is upfront with the seller that he/she is going to market the property (ok- the contract but we all know it's really the property) to an end buyer, does it really matter what contract is used? One doesn't need to lie to get out of it if the transaction is clear from the front. Secondly, regardless of which contract is used, where do you draw the line for marketing? Most investors are going to want to know details about the property and probably see it themselves. Is showing the property to an investor marketing? I understand throwing it on Craigslist or Facebook is marketing (and shouldn't be needed if it's a good deal and one has buyers) but they're is a very big gray area when showing properties to cash buyers. 

    I read often from you and others (James in OH) that everyone should get a license. However, a RE agent I use often has said that he can't wholesale properties ethically based on his license. So you've clearly acknowledged the need for wholesalers (which i appreciate since many anti-wholesaling agents completely ignore)- can one do it ethically/legally with a license? if not, how can they ethically/legally help this seller solve the problem when at least some degree of marketing is needed? 


    1. The contract type does make a difference legally. I've asked Bill to write up a good scenario or story to help better explain all this. Stay tuned!


  9. Wow, I missed it in the blog then if the cons of a purchase contract aren't understood.....you are promising to buy, use an option you are not promising to buy, not making the promise keeps you out of trouble if you fail. Most will fail. 

    Purchase contract means to get out of it you tell little lies, mislead the owner, don't deal in good faith....Curt, did you really read it? Come on buddy, surely you get it. :)

    You can't advertise any property for sale unless you hold legal title, this is what got wholesalers nailed in FL, or if you are a licensed agent/broker.  This comes from uniform law, and agency law, not specifically real estate law alone. In that instance I'm sure all states will take the same view, if you don't own it and you're not an agent, you can't advertise it. There is always the FTC as well, advertising things you don't own of have legal rights to sell as an agent for the owner. So, that means an option or a PS contract, neither give you the right to advertise a property, you advertise the contract. 

    I suppose you could show a picture of the property saying this contract is for the purchase of this property and you can buy my contract. Better make it clear you aren't advertising the property. But.....why, a wholesaler should already know their buyers, when you start beating the bushes to find a buyer, you're stepping into the brokerage side, you don't need to go there.

    If I have a contract to buy your car I can't put an ad in the paper to sell the car, I have to take title first. But I could advertise my contract to buy the car and sell the contract. Option or PS, no difference.

    Beginning investors really need to get out of the real estate guru arena for awhile and study other things that apply to real estate transactions. Like Tort Law. Like Tax Code. Like Truth in Advertising. Like Business Law.....you are trying to run a business right? I'll get to business operations later.

    The only way someone would buy a property with an outstanding option on it would be if they could buy it at a lower price than the option price, because if they do buy it, the sale is subject to the rights of that option holder. A property under a PS can't be sold since equitable interests have been conveyed, not legal title but equitable title......no advantage.

    The option route keeps you out of the legal snags that a PS puts you into. 

    As Philip mentioned, it's torts that get you hammered, licensee laws are just a part of your issues wholesaling. 

    LOL, Thomasine, the shortness of comments is more to saving words to type, than being gruff, but there are those times LOL. I'll tell it like it is, as plainly and simply as I can.....I know, sometimes it's not simple enough. Yes, get the education of real estate before trying to deal in real estate. 

    Getting into the business of wholesaling is going to require you to take title, not just assign contracts. I'll get to 3 ways of doing that next time, it's not rocket science!  :) 


  10. Hi Bill,  I understand your option scenario steps, which in my mind have zero differences from the assignable P&S contract scenario just changed the names of the contract.  Well you wouldn't cloud the title with a P&S...  That's one advantage of the option approach.

    Drilling down, Bill can you list the disadvantages of the currently norm in wholesaling, the assignable P&S with escape clauses?

    Cons of the assignable P&S are:

    - ...

    Pros of the releasable option contract:

    - ...

    Cons of the releasable optoin contract:

    - ...

    Bill, my fear is that wholesalers will read this and not leave with a clear picture of what the risks are with their current contract and what they say at the sellers house.

    In the video link above, Jeff Watson covers some of the problems:  telling the seller "I find buyers", this clearly acting like an agent, then putting marketing ads up showing the actual house (when you legally are not selling a house, you are selling a contract assignment).  This later issue is too subtle for most to catch on to.  IE I see wholesaler's ads on craigslist showing an address and house picture...  Bill might showing the house picture and address be permissable when you have an option contract?


  11. Thank you!! Ill be patiently awaiting your next article. I've been interested in wholesaling for over a year now but have yet to pull the trigger because I'd like to do it the right way and your posts are really helping me understand what it is I need to be learning. Your posts can come off a little harsh but I like that, it makes some people pay attention (like me). I read your last article about tenancy in common titles and I've been researching them every since. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us newbies. I'm doing my best to learn as much as I can before i jump into the fire. 


  12. I think one of the key things in this blog is when it discusses "torts." I think we all remember the lady who sued McDonalds for millions and won. She won because there were several documented cases of people burning themselves. Also, they had documented in their manual to keep the coffee at or above 180 degrees. Shortly after this event there were several large companies pushing for "tort reform."

    Despite their efforts companies can still lose a lot of money due to a tort. I would advise, as Bill often does, that you learn the rules before you play the game. Don't be another McDonalds!


  13. Thanks for the link Curt!

    Well, you find the property, contract with an option to purchase, go file a memorandum of option. You told the owner in conversation that you'd tell your investor friends about the property. Owner and buyer get together (you could be there, just don't act like an agent, act like a guy with an option) they contract to sell/buy. You then contract to release your option for a release fee, this release is part of their sale contract saying buyer or seller will pay X dollars to release the encumbrance of an option taken on (date) granted to Curt Smith, filed in Book 2143 at page 162. Release fee to be XX dollars paid out of closing (POC).  Hold your hand out and collect your check! Hand them a Release of Option, same thing basically as a lien release. 

    If they don't have the money then, it's in the contract one of them is to release the option. The title company can probably furnish a release for you to execute at or before settlement, the settlement agent will issue you a check per the contract requirement to free the encumbrance and they will file it.

    Done! Pretty simple!

    No lies told, no imaginary partners, no weasel clauses needed. 

    Step by step will be in future blogs and courses. 

    Remember, this is a one time shot (or as such deals come along) as an individual or through a business entity, if you're going to do these as a business, I'll show how to take title and sell as an owner. 

    It's always best to have a license, but taking title you'll never need one selling as an owner.  :)    


  14. >>I would not use a sale contract, I'd use an option to purchase. Bill I'm quite experienced yet don't clearly visualize what you are recommending. Can you give "clauses" etc to describe what you are recommending. How about offering example documents in the files section of BP?

  15. Hi Bill.  I'm not disagreeing with your quest to help BPers to fully understand the problems with wholesaling.  I say thank you!   BTW I'm a landlord, never sold but one property in my life and that was to a hedge fund.  I'm just offering "value" on this topic.  I'm in a leadership role in my local REIA and have to give similar advice all the time.

    Folks, please watch this reputable Attorney's interview of Ohio's real estate board's folks over rules re "wholesaling" in Ohio one of the most strict states re real estate laws.

    http://watsoninvested.com/wholesaling/

    Watch all the videos.