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Posted over 8 years ago

LET'S PLAY "TIC, TAC, TOE" !

LET’S PLAY TIC, TAC, TOE!

By: Bill Gulley

Tenants In Common (TIC) is common in apartment ownership instead of C0-Opts or Condos, but is an available title ownership in any type of property regardless of size, type, zoning or use. These ownerships interests are also referred to as fractional ownership interests.

Why not form an LLC or partnership? These business entities are fine when the property is held strictly for business purposes, but in dealing with a homeowner who may live in a property they are not the best arrangement. Held in a business, the owner loses the ability to deduct interest on a home mortgage as well as the exemption of capital gains from their residence.

Another aspect is the availability of fractional financing under conventional loan guidelines, a TIC owner may sell and finance their interests as a conventional residence, like a condo loan, staying out of commercial lending requirements.

Unlike other joint tenancy forms of ownership, a TIC owner may leave their estate to chosen beneficiaries instead of other owners. They may sell or lease their interest without consent of other joint owners. They may also finance or refinance their interests held as just mentioned. That means that other strategies such a subject-to transactions, installment sales, leases and lease option to buy arrangements can be devised with TIC.

Holding legal and equitable title interests also means avoiding many of the pitfalls in other investor strategies. With a TIC agreement you’re not on the outside as you are with a master lease or a sandwich lease. Your sale under an option is no longer contingent on having your seller sell, you can pass title as an owner and execute the sales contract through escrow with your TIC partner or have the power to sell.

Wholesalers are no longer subject to license requirements facilitating a sale when they are holding legal and equitable title. Agents are much less exposed to claims of net listings or agency relationships being in title.

Need to get in and make improvements to a property but don’t have a contractor’s license? The TIC may be the answer, the owner is doing the work and contracting as required. Not only can you perform work on your property you can obtain permits required and hire contractors and sub-contractors.

Want to be a landlord? With TIC and your TIC Agreement, you become an owner and you can manage your property without a real estate license. You have an agreed buy out with your co-owner under your TIC Agreement, you take a management fee and split profits up to current rents, then retain the forced appreciation you create. Many ways to split a deal!

Why would an owner enter into a TIC Agreement selling just part of their property? Answer, it works for distressed properties, distressed owners, when an owner needs some money or steady income and would rather wash their hands of dealing with the property, like tired landlords. Another reason is taxes, the seller can string out the sale of interests in the property, still retaining tax benefits. They can also defer income gained over time. A seller can go from an active income to a passive income.

How safe is a TIC arrangement? Well, it can be safer than owning 100%! Creditors, even through bankruptcy have a much harder time seeking judgments against a fractional interest than a whole interest. That’s because the ownership rights of others cannot be impaired. You can be safer owning 10 properties with a 10% interest than one with 100% interest.

Can’t a majority owner just vote to change the TIC Agreement? No! The agreement can be made requiring all owners to consent to any change.

Can you buy an interest with seller financing? Absolutely, that’s how I do them! If you are buying from an occupant owner and you’re an investor, Dodd-Frank will not apply, same as if buying as an investor from another investor. The only way Dodd-Frank would apply is if you intend to move in to the property, even then you may have an exempt transaction buying from an owner occupant. The collateral pledge is simply your percentage of ownership.

How complicated is a TIC Agreement? Truth is, it can be very simple much like a purchase contract or a lease-option to purchase contract or it can be complex, it depends on your investment strategy and what you want to agree to. There are standard TIC Agreements available.

Can you use a Trust or a business entity to hold a fractional interest? Absolutely! Just understand with a business entity you may lose the benefits of property owned individually, like building permits or representing yourself in court. That’s a business decision.

What about the value of a fractional interest, will the price be the percentage of ownership taken with respect to the market value? You can agree to that, but the Tax Courts as well as Federal Courts have ruled that a fractional interest is less because it requires a law suit to force sale and administer a fractional interest. That is to value found through tax matters and law suits, actually an advantage to that owner. But, since the TIC Agreement can include power of sale provisions and agreements, the matter of forcing sale can be avoided. As to your net worth, after you acquire a fractional interest at cost, a year later you can show the fair market value as adjusted under the rules, always see your accountant.

What does TIC, TAC, TOE stand for? TIC, is tenants in common, “TAC” is taking administrative control under the TIC Agreement, “TOE” is taking equity under the TIC Agreement by your entrepreneurship. And, no, this is not guru stuff!



Comments (20)

  1. Sorry Roy, you had brought up the tax matter, not Jeff. 

    And absolutely you need to consider who you partner with as the primary owner, those matters are further explained at GREA. Not a big issue but in the tactics you want to use. 

    Thanks for your comments guys! :)


  2. Many cities have rental registration and inspection ordinances for SFHs which, at least one court, has ruled unconstitutional. Would selling a small TIC interest, say ~5%, to the tenant turn the property from a rental to an owner occupied residence and thus exempt the property from inspection as a rental?

    If that property still had an outstanding mortgage loan would selling the TIC interest trigger the due on sale clause?


    1. Jeff,

      Interesting thought, but the cost and pain of reregistering title with every change of tenant would probably outweigh the municipal licence fees.  A change of registered title here could also trigger land transfer fees (a tax, by another name ...).


      1. Roy, I would only consider doing this with long term tenants. All of my current tenants have stayed multiple years. I've got a few who have been in place greater than 7 years--a couple of those have stated they never wish to move. (That would be quite alright with me.) They could be excellent candidates.


      2. Very good point Jeff! In PA, they have a transfer tax and I'm sure it would trigger the value of that interest as taxable, I have no idea what the tax might be on a $10,000 interest. The investor needs to examine tax matters in everything they do. Filing fees certainly come into play, either the owner or investor can cover such expenses. :)

    2. Yes, it will be an owner occupied with the fractional interest conveyed. 

      As to avoiding the due on sale matter, a Trust can be used with a fractional interest conveyed as an estate planning route which exempts the transaction from the issue. A simple letter from your attorney establishing a reason as to estate planning generally, if not 99% of the time keeps the lenders from going there. A lender may not dictate who your best friend is or your family composition or who a Trustee might be  or who is a contingent beneficiary after you. From the regulatory side, lenders are encouraged to work with borrowers as it is stated in the Act granting the rights of acceleration of loans. A good attorney shouldn't have a problem going this route. :) 


  3. Another great blog. Still trying to wrap my mind around all that, but that is just my newbness. I'll continue researching this as well as additional RE basics. I very much appreciate all the advice that I have read from you both in these blogs and in the many forum posts.


    1. Thank you Tom,

      This might be new to you, but it's not rocket science! It's simply applying concepts of strategies to types of interests we hold in title. When you buy, you can simply specify how you want to hold title. As Jerry mentioned, how we hold title is important and lays the ground work for what we can do with our title interests. 

      Thanks and yes, learn the basics! :)


  4. Nice article Bill. So many folks run out and jump into investing but never learn even the basics like the different methods you can hold real estate, like in an LLC or corporation or partnership, nor how in person you have a tenants in common, a joint tenants, or a tenants by the entireties.

  5. Nice article Bill. So many folks run out and jump into investing but never learn even the basics like the different methods you can hold real estate, like in an LLC or corporation or partnership, nor how in person you have a tenants in common, a joint tenants, or a tenants by the entireties.

  6. Nice article Bill. So many folks run out and jump into investing but never learn even the basics like the different methods you can hold real estate, like in an LLC or corporation or partnership, nor how in person you have a tenants in common, a joint tenants, or a tenants by the entireties.

    1. Thank you Jerry, you're right! Full disclosure, I did ask Jerry, to look at this since he is an attorney, but I didn't ask for his complementary remark. Jerry, that's why I keep preaching learn the basics, there is nothing done in real estate in investing that can't be accomplished from accepted practices, there is just never a need to get off into wild and crazy convoluted deals! It can be simple stuff after you learn. :)

  7. Nice article Bill. So many folks run out and jump into investing but never learn even the basics like the different methods you can hold real estate, like in an LLC or corporation or partnership, nor how in person you have a tenants in common, a joint tenants, or a tenants by the entireties.

  8. Bill, can you give a few examples of where a TIC would best solve a sellers "problem"?  I'm experienced and get the contract mechanics and concept.  I don't get when and why I would offer this solution to a seller (and myself).


    1. Bill will need to give the official answer. I believe TIC works best in distressed situations.


    2. Sure Curt!

      Adversarial situations; divorce, business break up, or milder cases where owners disagree, one wants to sell the other wants to lease, I've had all three situations.

      Estate planning, getting rid of property over a period of time, tax avoidance. This is in my more advanced area, but even a novice can point out basic advantages. 

      Motivated sellers can get a better price/income/profit from a property over time, they seller finance an interest, receive continued income from their interests held and later on obtain a higher price selling in the future to a new buyer. This goes to the reason they are selling, tired landlord for example and they retain ownership not taking a hit on recapturing depreciation at one sale.

      Another example, taking title to wholesale, when you're in title there is less justification to your pricing as if you were simply charging a fee for a service.

      Delayed transactions, an owner is moving away next year or longer, they may not be able to put the place on the market today having no place to go.  Parents buy houses for the kids to go to college, when they are finished with school they sell. The majority owner has peace of mind knowing the price they will get down the road and that they can move on worry free. This applies to many situations when someone knows they won't be living out their years in one place.

      A TIC Agreement is like a partnership agreement without the formal business entity being formed, taxes, business licenses, filing entities can be avoided, insurance is often less too.

      Options have a shelf life, for a stated period of time, a TIC ownership doesn't, but it can have, so any instance where an option might be used, a TIC could be used.

      Okay, here's my big secret (LOL and no, there are no secrets in RE but there are creative methods that can be accomplished understanding how the basics are applied).

      Say you have a tenant who wants to buy your rental......Dodd-Frank kicks in if you finance it!

      A TIC Agreement can allow a tenant to buy chucks or slices of ownership at a time, they still continue to rent your interests. BTW, the tenant can now do repairs, make improvements because they are no longer tenants, they are homeowners! 

      Any time you can have an installment agreement, you could have a TIC Agreement. 

      A TIC Agreement can have default covenants if one owner fails to perform or not perform, some states allow reversionary deeds, contracts, covenants allowing ownership to revert back to an original owner, might think along the lines of a contract for deed. Since titled is never held as security for payment of the minority rights or interests held, it's not a financing agreement.

      Hope that answered your question Curt, see you in school! :) 


  9. Wow Bill, 

    You certainly could not have written this excellent piece of education at a better time for me. It is so relevant to the situation I find myself in at the moment.

    Thank you for sharing your non-guru wisdom!

    Pyrrha


    1. Thank you Pyrrha, there are many ways to work this strategy I hope you utilize it profitably. :)