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E. Jacobs
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Lead Generation Questions

E. Jacobs
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
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Hi all, I've been scouring the forums nonstop for the past few weeks and I have read every article under the wholesaling category with hopes of starting my own full-time wholesaling business this summer. With that in mind, I have a bunch of questions that I would like to ask experienced wholesalers so that I can feel more comfortable getting started and skip a few steps on the learning curve. Some questions I was wondering about lead generation are:

1) What is a realistic marketing budget for a starting full-time wholesaler?

2) What media of advertising has worked best?

3) Are there specific types of neighborhoods that you should target for greater lead generation? What characteristics are you looking for?

4) Besides soliciting leads through advertising, how else can you find leads? Are there websites you search such as craigslist? Do you drive through neighborhoods looking for houses that appear distressed? Who can you contact that may provide leads? Realtors? Lawyers? Banks? Do you hire bird dogs?

If you have any advice about any of these questions please share! I know there's some great people on this forum and I'm hoping to learn a LOT from participating in the discussion!

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Michael Quarles#1 Marketing Your Property Contributor
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Good to meet you...

I wrote a book on advertising if you would like it let me know...

As for where to find the deals? Try this on...

Visiting Open houses

Another marketing method investors forget to include into their advertising campaign is visiting open houses.

Visiting open houses, besides the aspect of advertising your service to sellers, is also a fantastic way to become familiar with the neighborhoods you will want to buy within and to practice your presentation skills.

The following are two lists of statements you should never say to a seller and what you should always try and say to a seller. See if you can figure out which one is which.

List “Aâ€
1. This is a Beautiful House
2. I can see myself living here
3. I bet that was expensive
4. You won’t have any problem selling this house
5. You're under priced

List “Bâ€
1. Remind me again how you happen to find us
2. This House needs some Work, a lot of work
3. You won’t have to worry about anyone seeing your rat
4. I bet this is going to be expensive
5. When I buy Your House Today
6. You're over priced

Naturally list “A†are statements that you should never say to a selling prospect and always try and infer to a buying prospect. List “B†are items you will always want to relay to a seller. Remember to be in charge of all conversation every step of the way.

It isn’t important to give a seller your business card when visiting the open house unless you have built rapport with them and have scheduled an appointment to buy their house. In fact in the beginning of your career a little anonymity might be something that makes you feel most comfortable while you practice your dialog.

Then try this

Real Estate Vendors

Just like a real estate lender it is important that you make a relationship with various vendors who you will eventually need or hire. I have found that if you “On Purpose†call two different vendors a week then at the end of a year you will have the team of people that you will use to buy and sell houses.

The easiest method for finding the vendor to call is by referral. Much like the referral of the real estate agent, anytime you can be introduced either directly or indirectly to someone by someone they know you will get a lot further. Besides in the beginning of your career you will not have the credibility and piggy backing on a referrers credibility may get you a service provider that you would not be able to get on your own.

Again you may be thinking ‘How is someone I hire going to help me buy and sell real estate?†The following is a list of marketing methods I would ask each of the vendors I do business with to do for me so I can promote my business. Here is my philosophy, if you are paying someone then they should gladly support your business however if you don’t ask them too they most likely won’t on purpose.

Here are just a few ways they can help.

• Send them some flyers and ask them to include them in their payments to their vendors.
• Ask them to apply a bumper sticker of yours on their vehicle
• Ask them if you can put a Business card holder full of your business cards in their lobby.
• If they send out a newsletter see if you can put a free ad in it.

Get creative with your ideas, anything you are willing to do for yourself they may be willing to do for you as well. Just be willing to do the same for them. Here is one thing I can guarantee… If you don’t ask for help you will not receive it.

So who are you real estate vendors?
• Mortgage Brokers (Lenders)
• Real Estate Agents
• Real Estate Vendors
o Title Companies
o Escrow Companies
o Attorneys
o Accountants
o Contractors
 Termite
 Roofing
 Plumbing
 Air Conditioning
 Heating
 Floor Covering
 Electrical
 Sheetrock
 Painting
 Garage Door
 Concrete
 Glass/window
 Cabinet
 Handyman
o Home Inspectors
o Home Warranty
o Printer
o Sign Company
o Appraiser
The most important conversation you will have with these vendors will also include a question regarding who they know who may need to buy or sell a house.

Much like the conversation with the lender it will start by you introducing yourself and commending them on a positive trait or event.

You: Dial Number
Them: Hello

You: Hi this is (Your Name) I am calling for (person)
Them: This is he.

You: hi (person who referred you) suggested I call, I am looking for a (Trade) is that something you do?
Them: Yes I do.
You: You do, terrific (Always repeat what they say followed by a positive or negative reinforcement word)

You: tell me a little about the size of company.
Them: we are (their answer)
You: You are a (their answer) fantastic.

You: How long have you been in the business?
Them: (Their answer)
You: (Their answer) wow. (It doesn’t matter how long)

You: On your estimates can you do them same day or do you need more notice than that?
Them: (Answer)
You: (Their Answer) fantastic

You: How about when I schedule to do the work?
Them: (Their Answer)
You: (Their Answer) really

You: Out of curiosity do you charge by the hour plus material or do you give flat rate estimates?
Them: (Their Answer)
You: (their answer) great

You: Do you charge for your estimates/inspections?
Them: (their Answer)
You: (Their Answer) really!

You: Are you a licensed contractor
Them: (Answer)
You: (their answer) terrific

You: I am in an Investment networking group would you mind if I gave your name and telephone number to some of the members?
Them: No Please do.
You: I can, great.

You: One last question, I bet you know of people who maybe need to sell their house or are looking to buy a house. Do you happen to know anyone?
Them: From time to time I get those.
You: You get those, terrific.

You: Let me leave you my name and number and I will follow up with you on the next job I have and you do the same okay?

Learn to have these on purpose conversations and your business will skyrocket.

46-Referrals

Talk about some cheap advertising. Marketing to your referral base is one of the least costly and most effective types of advertising you will ever do.

Statistically when marketing to a “New†customer the new customer costs 5 to 10 times more than a customer who has already done business with you. Statistics also show that the quickest and easiest marketing method you can use to jump start you career is by attracting prospects through referrals. So if it is cheaper to do business with people you’ve done business before and one of the quickest forms of jump starting your career is to have people refer you then you better implement an on purpose referral program.

I hear what you’re saying “Michael I don’t have any past customers how am I going to get referrals?†Here are five methods that you can do today to get the prospects you want.

Five Ideas for Building Referrals.

1. Learn you elevator speech and be prepared to say it to at every opportunity.
a. Always state your name
b. What it is that you do. ( I am a real estate Investor)
c. Who you can help. ( I help people who need to sell a house because of foreclosure, divorce, probate, unwanted houses, bad tenants, houses with a lot of repairs needed. Ect.
d. How you can help. (I can help fast, most of the time in as soon as 10 days)
e. Ask them if they are thinking of selling or buying a house.
f. Always ask them if they know anyone who has a house for sale or is wanting to buy a house.
g. Close with handing them a business card and repeating your name with telephone number.
i. If they hand you a business card make certain that you put it in your database to prospect to.
2. The people you pay or good friends who have service type companies ask them if they would include in their invoice statements a flyer about your services and be ready to do the same for them.
3. During holidays and special occasions send to your friends and customer base a thank you card, Birthday card, holiday card, within those cards mention that you accept referrals and include a few business cards.
4. Take up a new interest. Join a club or organization. Lyons clubs, Young republicans, Habitat for Humanity, Chamber of Commerce is excellent, etc. Get involved in community events.
5. Ask everyone you make a presentation to if they know someone who needs to sell their house or who may be looking to buy a house.

The key here is to think outside the box… Get creative… And don’t stop…

47- Center of Influence

Talking to People You Know is an exceptional method for creating business. Much like building your referral program, marketing to your center of influence is widely underutilized. This group of people is probably the least tapped into referral base you have. After all, we don’t want to bother people we know with our business, do we? To that I say, “Bull!â€

There are no better fans than those people who know your character, your trustworthiness and your commitment to helping others. However, most investors have a difficult time contacting these people and soliciting their help. I believe you should create a list of everyone in your life you know. And when I say, “know,†I am only referring to those people you can call on the telephone or send an e-mail to. I am not talking about the acquaintances we have in our lives, like the postal worker or the teacher of our children. The people you want to contact are in what’s called your “Center of Influence.â€

Here is an example of a partial list of your Center of Influence.
Mary Smith 1324 South Emery Street Bakersfield Ca 93308 661-555-4854 Sister
Mark Smith 1324 South Emery Street Bakersfield CA 93308 661-555-4854 Brother-in-Law
Fred Williams 514 Bruce Street Bakersfield CA 93314 661-555-7878 Attorney
Melba Jones 1001 A Street Bakersfield Ca 93301 661-555-0114 Mom’s Friend

Again, your list should include everyone you can call or e-mail. No matter what your relationship is to the person, if they will know you by name, then put them on your list of people you know. One note: only put people on your list who live in the city in which you plan to buy houses. Asking Grandma, who happens to live two states away, to refer you to her friends will not be the highest and best use of this marketing program. With that said, everyone else will be.

The following are examples of types of people who could be in your Center of Influence.
• mother and mother-in-law
• father and father-in-law
• brothers
• sisters
• former and current brothers-in-law
• former and current sisters-in-law
• past and present CPA
• past and present attorney
• past and present real estate agent
• landlord
• hair dresser
• manicurist
• massage therapist
• workout trainer
• tailor
• pool service rep
• gardener
• doctor
• all members of a charity organization you might belong to
• church members you know
• anyone you have donated money to—ever
• co-workers
• former co-workers
• former employers
• current employer
• current customers of your current job (be sure to first get approval from your supervisor)
• former customers
• drinking/social buddies
• college friends
• high school friends

You can see that the list can go on and on. I will caution you not to prejudge anyone that comes to mind as being someone who will not be receptive to your new endeavor. Everyone changes, and if four years ago you didn’t have the best of relationship with them, so what. Don’t let that stop you from including them.

Once you have established a list of people who know you, you do two things to the people on your list. One, you will mail them a letter with 10 business cards and secondly, you will telephone them and tell them about your new career.

Here is a sample of the type of letter you should send:
Hello,
I am excited to announce the establishment of my new business, [Your Business Name] here in [Your City]. After careful consideration and extensive study, I’ve found the one thing that I enjoy and can make a difference with – Real Estate Investing. The opportunity to help people who may need to sell their houses is a worthy endeavor and the rewards are endless.

I understand that jump-starting my career is of great importance and I am counting on you for your support.

One of the first rules of business is that referred customers are the key to success, as these people are much more likely to do business than those who don’t know anything about me. I put together a list of people who I felt I could count on to help me succeed, and I had no doubt that you would want to be included in this process. And, it doesn’t come without reward to you. Although I know that you would not want something in return for helping me, I’m excited to be able to offer you $500 for every referral whose house I buy. This is for your time in telling others about what I do.

So if you would, when you hear of someone who is looking to sell their house, just give them one of my business cards and at the same time, gather their telephone number and name, and then call me with that information. I am hoping that won’t be too much trouble. I would certainly appreciate it. To make this all the easier, I have already written your name on the back of each card.

My business will cater to people who need to sell for a number of reasons.
• Trying to buy a new house and need to sell
• Divorce
• Foreclosure
• Probate issues
• Job Transfers
• Tired of being a landlord
• Bankruptcy
• Any other reason someone may have
Thank you for your help, and I appreciate your friendship and support.
Respectfully,
[Your Name}
[Business Name]
[Telephone Number]

You will mail this letter immediately upon the completion of your list, and include 10 business cards with the recipient’s name on the back. Take the time to respect their time by writing their name on the cards. They will appreciate it, and when you ask a seller who referred you, he/she be able to tell you and you’ll be able to reward your referrer.

Again, the second thing you will do is call the names on your list by telephone and let them know of your new endeavor.

The following is a simple conversational script to use as a guide:

Hi [name] this is [your name]! [You may have to remind them who you are by referencing someone or something. Once you know that they know who you are, continue as follows:]
Question: I hope all is well with you and your family.
Answer: They’re doing great….
Statement: They’re doing great… Outstanding!
[Always repeat what they say with a positive or negative follow-up word.]
Statement: I don’t want to take too much of your time, but I wanted to tell you about a new endeavor I’ve started. I have researched and been studying the real estate market and have started investing in single-family houses.
Statement: My company’s name is called [your company] and I’m going to be working with people who need to sell their home for a variety of reasons: divorce, foreclosure, probate, job transfers, people tired of being a landlord... basically anyone needing to sell a house.
Statement: I was hoping to count on you for a reference if you happen to come across anyone needing to sell.
Statement: I’ve sent you a few of my business cards and a letter to [their address] outlining what I’m doing. If you would read it over when you get it, that would be great. And if you have any questions please give me a call back.
From there, just have a normal conversation with them. Be prepared for them to ask you about the market.

Note: Any of their negative feedback response will be great practice for when you come face-to-face with sellers, so use every opportunity that presents itself to you. In other words, turn lemons into lemonade!

I recommend that you call these people monthly and ask them for referrals. Sending a letter once or making one telephone call will not reinforce your new career. So take the time and energy, and call. Besides, these are people in your Sphere of Influence and most likely would like to hear from you.

The second type of person will be your acquaintances, those people that you come in contact with on a daily or weekly basis but don’t really socialize with or know that well.
The following is a list of that type of person.

• bank teller
• grocer
• child’s school teacher
• pest control technician
• air conditioning tech
• auto mechanic
• person in your office complex
• receptionist at your gym
• postal carrier
• gardener
• parking attendant
• computer tech
Talking to Acquaintances

Your acquaintances will not be as enthusiastic about referring people to you as your group of people who you know well. You have to strike up, at least, a light-hearted relationship with them. I am not saying you have to become good buddies, but it is important that there is a sense of respect and reciprocity. A few kind gestures or words will go a long way. A cold soda given to your gardener on a hot day will bring big rewards.
When approaching these acquaintances, remember that their sense of loyalty and commitment to you is less than those in your Sphere of Influence. I have found the easiest way to broach the conversation of referrals is to start taking about their family.
The conversation should go something like this:

Question: I hope all is well with you and your family.
Answer: They’re doing great….
Statement: They’re doing great… Outstanding…
[Note: Always repeat what they say with a positive follow-up word (or a negative one if appropriate, like if someone has a cold or something.]
Statement: I don’t want to take too much of your time, but I wanted to tell you about a real estate program I have that could make you some extra money.
Statement: I’ve started investing in single-family houses, and I’m offering to anyone I know who refers me to a home seller that I end up buying from, a $500 referral fee.
Statement: I work with people who need to sell their houses for a verity of reasons: divorce, foreclosure, probate, job transfers, people tired of being a landlord, anyone needing to sell a house.
Statement: And I was hoping to count on you for a reference if you happen to come across anyone needing to sell.
Statement: Here are a few of my business cards. If you would pass them out to anyone you know who may need to sell their home, that would be great. Just write your name and number on the backs of the cards so I can make sure you get your $500 referral fee.

The script is different from the Center of Influence in that these people don’t necessarily know you very well, and you don’t have to tell them that this is a new venture for you like you will with people that know what you have been doing. Coming from a position of knowledge is more powerful than coming from that of a learning stage, so choose your wording wisely.

Also, reiterate to these people monthly what you do and your offer of the $500 referral fee.
Now we’re to the type of person that you don’t know.

You Never Know Who You’re Talking To
Never assume that someone is not worth promoting yourself and your services to. Even if a person doesn’t own a house or isn’t considering selling, they may very well know someone who is, or they may want to sell some day down the road, themselves.

Strike Up a Conversation
Most people are terrified to talk sales with others, especially people we don’t know. This is mostly because they know that they are going to have to ask people to part with their hard-earned money, their most valuable possession of survival. I’m not going to get into whether you should or shouldn’t try to hard-sell people in this e-book, only that there’s an easy-to-confront way of promoting yourself without having to ask others to give you anything. In fact, as I mention above, you actually give them something (the Birddog Fee).

Small talk is the easiest form of communication there is. It’s light, it finds itself in much agreement with both parties and is rather enjoyable. And through the right small talk, you can open doors to recruiting more allies.

If you’re at the health club, for instance, riding a bike; make eye contact with your neighboring health enthusiast. Just find a point of commonality and blurt it out. There are so many ways to do this: you can start with a joke, a question or a comment that you think they might agree with:

JOKE: “And we do this why?â€

QUESTION: “How far do you ride?â€

COMMENT: “I can’t believe how out of shape I am!†or (if it’s busy at the club) “It’s so hard to get a bike at this time of the day.†Or (if it’s slow) “It’s so much nicer here at this time. You can get a bike no problem.â€

These are all very real and inviting comments that allow others to start talking to you. The trick is to look for a point of commonality and go with it.

If you’re standing in a long line somewhere and it’s taking forever to get through, look at the person behind you and say, “I always seem to choose the slowest line,†or if you have a full basket, say “I only came in for one item.†These kinds of icebreakers are magical in getting others to be willing to talk to you. (They might even instantly come to like you!) And once they respond, the door has been opened for you to easily give them your business cards. They will willingly take them, and they will willingly hand them out.

If people acquire a good feeling about you, they are likely to feel good about recommending you to their friends and acquaintances. It takes but a comment or two to impress upon another that you’re a nice person. Once you’ve done that, hand your cards and tell them of your commission program. It’s that simple.

I challenge you to hand out 10 sets of three business cards every day, Monday through Friday, to people you come in contact with. I know, you’d rather not talk to 10 people you don’t know. What’s worse, they don’t know you either. It can be a bit difficult to accomplish. However, real estate investing is an extremely profitable venture, and those profits don’t knock your door down on their own; they must be earned. Just think of your business cards as seeds that must be planted in order to reap the harvest.
Here is a list of what this type of person looks like. I know it’s a short list, but it’s extensive in its scope:
• All females you see
• All males you see
It is that simple! Learn to strike up a conversation with strangers and you will be rewarded handsomely. Perfecting this trait will also give you incredible confidence when communicating with sellers and negotiating reduced house prices.

One more suggestion: when you send someone a referral fee check, always include five or six more business cards.

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