Try to renew expiring lease or let it go month-to-month?

Try to renew expiring lease or let it go month-to-month?

Clear Lake, TX · Member since 2018 · 76 posts · 33 votes

My tenant's lease will be up at the end of the summer and I'm debating if I should give them 30 day notice to sign a new lease term, extending the lease another year or two, or allow the lease to enter the month-to-month auto renewals? I have really good tenants and I don't want to lose them which I'm afraid may happen if I ask them to commit to another year or two but I also prefer my leases to begin in the summer when more people are moving. In the past, I've always received more interest in the property than I can even process when it's up for lease so vacancy has been close to 0% but it's always been on the market with an August move in date. I'm wondering how much of an impact there will be if I let them stay a few extra months, and then I'm potentially stuck with listing it in the winter or some other inconvenient time?

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Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
3y
Aloha,

When you schedule a meeting with them for your walk-through annual inspection, after you have completed the inspection, spend a few minutes to inquire about their intentions/desires/target dates. Do not tip your hand, this is a time to gather info. Let them know you will be studying the market after the inspection to help you decide what you will be offering. Once you have looked at the current local market; evaluated the condition of yours vs. available units; satisfied yourself they are taking good care of the property; and know their intentions, make a fair offer that works for both of you...but mostly you.
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  • New to Real Estate · Sunnyvale CA and Maplewood, NJ · Member since 2022 · 257 posts · 161 votes
    3y

    If the lease is currently up at the time you prefer, and you've historically experienced very low vacancy when advertising the property at that time, it sounds like your downside is limited if you offer them a renewal and they decide to vacate instead, so I would lean to that.

    Another idea: A trick of Brandon and Heather Turner's, mentioned in "The Book on Managing Rental Properties," is to offer the tenant options. You could offer a one-year renewal at one price and a month-to-month lease at a higher price (one that makes it more worth your while given your concern about vacancy at the wrong time).

  • Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y
    Aloha,

    When you schedule a meeting with them for your walk-through annual inspection, after you have completed the inspection, spend a few minutes to inquire about their intentions/desires/target dates. Do not tip your hand, this is a time to gather info. Let them know you will be studying the market after the inspection to help you decide what you will be offering. Once you have looked at the current local market; evaluated the condition of yours vs. available units; satisfied yourself they are taking good care of the property; and know their intentions, make a fair offer that works for both of you...but mostly you.
  • Andy WebbPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Carrollton, TX · Member since 2013 · 750 posts · 538 votes
    3y

    @Whitney Breedlove -  I offer a 12 month renewal rate and a month-to-month (M2M) option when we send our renewal notice.   M2M is always at a higher rate - say $100 per month higher.  So if existing lease is $1500....and new rate is $1550, then M2M will be $1650.  Of course you could make the premium higher.  I am not a fan of 2 year leases unless you include some sort of an "escalation" clause that allows for an increase after 12 months, in the even of higher property taxes, insurance or other expenses...

    Not sure how things are in Clear Lake, but we still have a shortage of inventory around DFW, so tenants still don't have a lot of options.

    Andy

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2021 · 9k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y

    Why would a year lease throw them off? If anything a month to month will make them feel less secure. 

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Whitney Breedlove:

    You are over-thinking it. Just because it's harder to rent in the winter doesn't mean it's impossible. I'm in a cold area and we've been renting well. Maybe it takes three weeks instead of one.

    Give your tenants the option of staying month-to-month until June, then they have to commit to a one-year lease or vacate so you can find a one-year tenant. Or talk to your Tenants about signing a longer lease, like 15 months, that gets you back into a spring/summer turnover cycle.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    I like to just let them go M2M when the lease ends and like @Nathan Gesner says people move all the time and it isn't significantly harder to rent in the winter.  At first when starting out I really bought into longer leases and typically rented for 2 year leases and intended to renew for as long as I thought I could get away with.  Most tenants broke the lease and they will move when they want so now I start with a year to eliminate people looking for shorter stays and then just auto renew at M2M.  Covid changed my mind with the eviction moratoriums and in KY we couldn't evict for non payment but could for holdover so this gave us great leverage which thankfully I didn't need.  Tenants will leave when they want but I sleep better knowing I have that same option should they become a problem.  

    I will admit though that I'm horrible at increasing rents and never have but plan to do some modest increases this spring since a some that are getting behind.  To try to make it a bit harder for tenants to move when they are M2M though I do require 60 days notice which is harder to do if you are just moving to another rental but if they are buying they are buying and they are gone anyway.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Albany, NY · Member since 2019 · 125 posts · 47 votes
    3y

    Have you asked your tenant what they want to do? If it is a good tenant, your priority should be to keep the tenant. *That* tenant is the most important thing, don't worry about the next one. Are you looking to raise the rent if they stay? Usually about 45 days before the end of the lease I will just send them a text, something like “Hey. As you probably remember, your lease is ending on June 30th. what are your plans? I'd like to keep you! I would just have to raise rent just to $1,600, which I think is still below market price. Are you interested in renewing your lease for 12 months?” I've had people come back and say well we only want to be here for 6 months.. so then I put them on a 6 month lease. And at the end of that 6 months, they wanted another 12 :-) So talk to them.. find out what they want.. and work with that.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y

    M2M gives you more flexibility in the event something goes sideways with the tenant....

  • Rental Property Investor · Valparaiso, IN · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 19 votes
    3y

    If they are good tenants and it seems like they want to stay then I would lock them into another year long lease. At the very least you can figure out if they will be leaving or not. I have leased in the winter before and not had any problems, but it all depends on your area. If you had success in the summer months then It’s better to find out sooner than later. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Hartford, CT · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 10 votes
    3y

    @Whitney Breedlove

    Send them a rent increase notice. Maybe something like 3-5% so they don’t leave. This will keep them under terms of existing lease (except at new rate) and still month to month moving forward. Consult with whoever U need to first. This is simply a suggestion.

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Adam Martin:

    Consider a one-year lease with a clause that says tenants can expect a small increase every year at renewal. This will keep you on schedule. Go to a search engine and search for "consumer price index [year] [state]" and you can use the CPI as a model for how much to increase rent. When I search 2022 for my state, I get 6.1%. So I may bump the rent 5% - 6% to at least keep up with the higher cost of living.

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  • John MorganPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Grand Prairie, TX · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    It depends for me. I’m in Texas where there’s a housing shortage so I can find new tenants within 48 hours of listing them for rent on Zillow rental manager. If your area is slow, then I would try and do your leases around May or June. I’m only doing month to month leases for now on. That way I can renew when I want. And boot them out anytime I want for any reason. My good ones only get rent increases every two years. My bad ones get them annually. So none all depend on the tenants and how much money I’ve spent on the house in the last couple years to help recoup my expenses.

  • Realtor · Dallas - Fort Worth Metroplex, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 925 votes
    3y

    @Whitney Breedlove all great advice here. My query would be, are they at or near market rents ?

  • Real Estate Agent · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    I personally only renew annually, or if a good, long-term tenant, I'll offer a 2-year option.  I avoid having to find tenants in winter, especially over the holidays.  Seems to be more problematic applicants to deal with at that time of year.  If I have to lease in Nov-Feb, I actually make the initial lease term slightly longer than a year so it ends between March and July, and most are appreciative that they don't have to move or find something new during the winter.

  • Clear Lake, TX · Member since 2018 · 76 posts · 33 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Lucia Rushton:

    @Whitney Breedlove all great advice here. My query would be, are they at or near market rents ?


     Thanks so much everyone for the advice! This is definitely helpful and gives me a lot of different options to think about.

    I would say they are a little bit below market rent. They’re on a two year lease and rents have gone up during this time but I probably won’t raise their rent since they’ve been good tenants. If I put it back on the market I could probably easily rent it out with a $150 rent increase (if not more.)

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    @Whitney Breedlove I give them a letter offering options to check off and then prepare the requested lease or accept the lease termination option if they check it. A non-renewal is rarely checked off because good tenants will approach you if they plan to leave.  Don't be afraid to lose tenants or increase rent on them, even good tenants expect an increase especially if the market has gone up. Look at it this way they have to able and want to move to someplace cheaper.  I typically increase even if it is nominal so that it is an expected annually. 

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