portfolio buy in Columbus Ohio

portfolio buy in Columbus Ohio

Investor · Columbus , OH · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 14 votes

Hey BPers, Im a new investor with only one rental property under my belt. Im looking at expanding my portfolio with three more properties. Im in contract for two duplexes and one single family. The two duplexes are side by side and the single family home is just a couple miles down the street. My purchase price initially was 68k with 20% down at 4.9%. All five units are fully rented and bringing in 2,300/mo. I recently had the appraisal done and it came back at 53k. The seller agreed to sell it at that price. I know the numbers tend to look great on paper but there are a few things that worry me.
The first is the loan. My investing strategy is to build up long term debt, outsource that debt to tenants, and pay off the loans in cheaper dollars through the 30 years. I just found out through my loan officer that my portfolio loan would be a variable rate loan and could go from 4.9% to 10% after the first 36 months.
My second concern is the location. The units are located in south east Columbus in an area called Linden. Its a pretty rough area with a high crime rate for Columbus. Im ok with being there during the day, but would not want to be walking the streets after dark. Im concerned about the quality of tenants i would get in my units.

So my questions are:

What are peoples experience/ thoughts on variable rate portfolio loans?
Does anyone invest in higher crime rate areas and what are your experiences?
For my Columbus peeps, Whats your thoughts on owning properties in Lindin?
Any general thoughts on my deal?

I really appreciate any advice!

FYI: I plan on hiring property management.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Thousand Oaks, CA · Member since 2013 · 69 posts · 16 votes
    13y

    Jake,

    Congrats on having the first deal under your belt and looking for more! (I'm still trying to get my first one done).

    About the portfolio loan- I would look into seeing if you can do individual refinances on each before the 36 month rate hike to 10%. I'm not very familiar with the specifics, but I don't see why this wouldn't be a feasible option.

    Hopefully someone far more experienced can chime in and provide some answers as I'd be interested to see how these answers end up :)

    Cheers!

    Benjamin

  • John HornerPro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Columbus, OH · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 655 votes
    13y

    Hey Jake Kilfian, welcome to the Columbus Market.

    That variable rate loan is a concern. That being said, your cash flow, cash on cash return and CAP rates all look fantastic, so I think you could still make it work.

    Have you tried other lenders? Are they requiring you to get a commercial loan because of there are 5 units?

    Maybe Dustin Faeth could chime in, I know he has done some deals in the Linden area.

    It looks like the northern end of Linden is not too bad crime wise, but the south end is very rough with high crime rates. The further away you are form the multi-family housing, the better you will be.

    If you haven't yet, I would contact a property management company who is familiar with that area. They will be able to give you an idea of vacancy and eviction rates, what they think it should rent for, what problems or expenses you may incur in that area, etc.

    Hope this helps!

  • Property Manager · Columbus, OH · Member since 2012 · 309 posts · 275 votes
    13y

    Hi Jake - I manage property in that area (and throughout Columbus) and would be happy to help.

    Regards,
    Peter

  • Rental Property Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2012 · 181 posts · 51 votes
    13y

    HI Jake,

    Your variable loan is scary.

    I would contact Peter Lohmann to discuss how he can ease your worries.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • John HornerPro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Columbus, OH · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 655 votes
    13y

    Peter Lohmann, would you mind giving us your insight on Linden and Hilltop for rentals? Those seem to be the 2 areas with the cheapest properties but higher crime rates. Do you recommend buy and holds for those areas?

  • Property Manager · Columbus, OH · Member since 2012 · 309 posts · 275 votes
    13y

    Sure. A few thoughts on this deal, and then the Linden area:

    1) I think you got a great deal on the portfolio. That's a small amount of money for a lot of income

    2) You need to talk to your lender and get the exact terms. How often can it adjust? Is it linked to prime, and what's the spread? Could it go higher than 10%? Can it go down again?

    3) If I'm doing my math right (20% down, 30Y amort), your mortgage payment will be $225. That's only 9.7% of your monthly income. Even if the interest rate goes to 10%, it's such a small loan that it doesn't affect the overall numbers very much.

    4) Linden (and Hilltop) is a mixed bag. I would need to know the addresses to give more specific advice. It is a lower-income neighborhood, but that does not mean you can't be very successful, particularly with a good property manager ;) You can buy and hold and be very successful - just don't count on appreciation.

    5) Are any of the tenants section 8?

    6) How is the condition of the properties?

    7) Make sure you allocate plenty of funds for capital improvement.

    Peter

  • John HornerPro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Columbus, OH · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 655 votes
    13y

    Thanks for the insight!

  • Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2013 · 99 posts · 30 votes
    13y

    I would not invest in Linden and I would not use a variable rate mortgage even temporarily. Ever.

    Linden is rough AND I'm a new invest - like yourself. Maybe once I have more experience ill be confident in handling those. But i am learning enough now dealing with GOOD tenants :)

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Costa Mesa, CA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 380 votes
    13y

    Would be very interested to know who is writing this kind of debt. I have more than a few properties owned free & clear in Columbus (some in Hilltop, specifically) that I'd love some sub-5% debt on.

  • Investor · Columbus , OH · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 14 votes
    13y

    Two of the properties were located between 3 and 71 by Lindin McKinley high school. Going by the crime map it looks like its a pretty bad location. None of the properties were section 8. Everyone I've talked to said that section 8 is not worth the hassle of all the hoops they make you jump through.Got the call this morning that the deal fell through. Apparently the lender would not finance a portfolio loan that low. They are looking for a cash buyer so the deal is up for grabs. Message me if you want the details and ill hook you up with the selling agent.

  • Property Manager · Columbus, OH · Member since 2012 · 309 posts · 275 votes
    13y

    Everyone I've talked to said that section 8 is not worth the hassle of all the hoops they make you jump through.

    That is not accurate. Section 8 can be a gold mine in low-income neighborhoods, as long as you keep your properties in good condition. And by good, I don't mean AMAZING - just decent. Regular maintenance items. A good PM will take care of all the details anyway.

  • Rental Property Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2012 · 181 posts · 51 votes
    12y
    Jake Kilfian Was this package ever purchased? What bank were you working with? Thanks, Steve
  • Investor · Columbus , OH · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 14 votes
    12y

    @Steve Baldwin

    The deal didn't go through because of appraisal issues.

    Bank info:

    Thomas Klacik

    Vice President-Lending

    Union Savings Bank

    Direct: 614-582-4960

    UFax: 614-304-2449

    [email protected]

  • Engelo RumoraBusiness Member
    Investor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    Hey guys,

    I can see quite a few of you are from Columbus.

    I would very much appreciated your thoughts with some of the area classes in Columbus.

    Feel free to throw out a few zip codes.

    For example:

    B class - Toledo Ohio - 43613

    This would be much appreciated.

    Thanks and have a great day.

  • Investor · Granville OH · Member since 2013 · 13 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    Hi! I have 2 condos on Karl Rd and a SFH in Blacklick Estates, and that's about as bad of areas that I would risk renting in. You WON'T get good tenants in those areas, period. Was a home Health nurse for 19 yrs, been thru all of Cols. worst neighborhoods, and why set yourself up from the very beginning of your REI career when you can have less cash flow with peace of mind. maybe after you've been doing it for awhile, IDK. Also have a Section 8 in Newark Ohio, and have mixed feelings about that. No, the requirements really are minimal, and yes, you can get a good renter, BUT when they have their deposit AND most of their rent paid for, they really do NOT take good care of the place. AND, in Ohio anyway, I learned the hard way that when Sec * tenant moves out there's no recourse for charging them for any damages, PERIOD. You can take them to court, but it's tough to prove anything, and you can put a note in their Sec. * file, that's it.

  • Investor · Columbus , OH · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 14 votes
    12y

    I acquired my first three rentals in 2013, two of which are In north linden. I think going by a zip code is almost too general. If there are multiple vacant, run down houses on the street and the surround roads then I do not buy. On the other hand if it's an area that may not be considered "a good area" but all the houses on the street are rented and maintained, then I will consider. Instead of going by a zip code, a lot of these areas are a block by block basis. In my limited experience, I've had good luck following that rule of thumb.

  • Engelo RumoraBusiness Member
    Investor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Jake Kilfian:
    I acquired my first three rentals in 2013, two of which are In north linden. I think going by a zip code is almost too general. If there are multiple vacant, run down houses on the street and the surround roads then I do not buy. On the other hand if it's an area that may not be considered "a good area" but all the houses on the street are rented and maintained, then I will consider. Instead of going by a zip code, a lot of these areas are a block by block basis. In my limited experience, I've had good luck following that rule of thumb.

    Thanks Jake,

    It definitely is more block by block. I was after a broader spectrum than I could narrow it down from there.

    I will further look into the North Linden area as you quoted.

    Thanks for your comment.

  • Canal Winchester, OH · Member since 2014 · 151 posts · 55 votes
    12y

    there are actually a lot of good places to buy rental properties in the columbus area. As a agent i see them all the time but personally i do not like rentals I would rather flip. As far a linden and hilltop, yea it is block by block up in that area but I would stay away from them all together! you can actually go down to Groveport area and make a good return and have a far less headache! I am not a fan of any section 8 housing! As stated above yes you will always get your rent check every month from the government but then you will also have to repair your house every time a tenet moves out as to the fact that they don't have to fix or repair any damages. I would much rather spend my money where I know that the building will be in acceptable shape when i get it back in my possession and only have to spend a few days cleaning/painting/ and having new carpet installed if it needs replace.

    Besides groveport, obetz is anther good place normally and galloway a lot of the southern suburbs! the north side is more expensive but still has a markets but the return is not as high obviously. this is just my two cents and what i see and work with on a daily....

  • Engelo RumoraBusiness Member
    Investor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Jeremy Davis:
    there are actually a lot of good places to buy rental properties in the columbus area. As a agent i see them all the time but personally i do not like rentals I would rather flip. As far a linden and hilltop, yea it is block by block up in that area but I would stay away from them all together! you can actually go down to Groveport area and make a good return and have a far less headache! I am not a fan of any section 8 housing! As stated above yes you will always get your rent check every month from the government but then you will also have to repair your house every time a tenet moves out as to the fact that they don't have to fix or repair any damages. I would much rather spend my money where I know that the building will be in acceptable shape when i get it back in my possession and only have to spend a few days cleaning/painting/ and having new carpet installed if it needs replace.

    Besides groveport, obetz is anther good place normally and galloway a lot of the southern suburbs! the north side is more expensive but still has a markets but the return is not as high obviously. this is just my two cents and what i see and work with on a daily....

    Thanks Jeremy

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