Calculating Living Flip Profit & Offer Price

Calculating Living Flip Profit & Offer Price

Kyle JohnsonPro Member
Rental Property Investor · El Paso, TX · Member since 2020 · 11 posts · 5 votes

Hey BP Community trying to make sure I'm calculating a live in flip and max offer price appropriately. Long story short I'm military using VA loans and will be doing a living flip, rehabbing properties slightly below MV or at MV with higher ARVs while living in them for 2-3 years doing the rehabs myself. Somewhat of a house hack I guess.. Doing this until I can transition into actual buy and hold duplex/multi-families with the traditional 20-25% down. Building Capital the slow way.

My question when trying to hit a desired profit number, do I calculate it before the equity I accumulate? Meaning if living in the property for two years I would gain the equity over the two years: Loan amount - P&I(24 payments) + pay off amount = equity.

The BP calculator does not account for this so the difference in my profit margins vary greatly. If I'm shooting for 25K profit based off the BP Calculator my asking price is $XXX,XXX but once I run those numbers again with the equity I have gained through living in the home and paying down the mortgage the profit jumps significantly from the profit desired on the BP Calculator. I am calculating $0 holding cost because I'm living in the property as we rehab it.

Thanks for the feedback I'm trying to appropriately calculate my profit and offer price; the two numbers are clouding my judgement and making it very difficult to find a home that make sense in a competitive sellers market. Below is a deal I have run numbers on and the asking price is well below what the property sold for, but that offer got me the desired profit BEFORE adding in the equity I built paying down the loan. In other words the fix and flip calculator is calculating capital gains not overall profit (~$43,900 left over after all expenses at the end of 2 years). I'm losing almost every offer because I'm either calculating this wrong or I'm expecting too much on the profit margins for my family needs while investing in a living flip.

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  • Kyle JohnsonPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · El Paso, TX · Member since 2020 · 11 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    Another way to ask the question is when you offering your final offer price how to you ensure your making the profit #? The 70% rule is simply not obtainable for live in flips in my areas. Most homes are not on the market in military areas more than 2 weeks at the moment. How do i find a deal that will be worth my while and not wind up homeless or paying pointless rent lol? Any and all advice is welcome, new investor with only one flip under my belt (we did well in that one).

  • Rental Property Investor · Springfield, MO · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 890 votes
    6y

    @Kyle Johnson the VA Renovation loan can be handy (although they put the program on hold for the moment). Buying a home with the traditional VA loan usually requires it to be in pretty good shape, so your margins might be a little smaller.

    That being said, I would calculate it before including principal pay down, just to be more conservative with my numbers.

    Also, have you considered buying a 2-4 unit home with the VA loan to house hack? You could probably get a similar, if not better, return because you'll be cutting your living expenses and learning how to be a landlord while living in the property.

  • Kyle JohnsonPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · El Paso, TX · Member since 2020 · 11 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @David Pere thanks for the response. I would love to be in some type of multifamily property as a house hack but unfortunately I have a family of five with lots of tools and woodworking equipment for my other big hobby lol. Finding a duplex or more just doesn't fit my family constraints.

    I have found a decent amount of foreclosures, MLS properties, and even a few off market but the forclosures that are living flips all go fo way over asking price. I bid 155 on a VA forclosure with an asking price of 149 and I was one of 32 bids. Out bod by over 20k. The winner still got a decent home just not a property that made sense as an investor. The off market deal fell through... I could go back with more to offer but that's depending on how I calculate my desired profit.

    I'll look I to the VA rehab loan though as well. It could be a tool to add to my belt once/if it becomes available again. Thanks for the input.

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