Help figuring CoC during a Cash-out Finance

Help figuring CoC during a Cash-out Finance

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[Calc Review] (I missed that in my title field and can't figure out how to edit the title)


With 2 separate free and clear properties, both with equal appraised values, I'm try to calculate a simple Cash on Cash (CoC) model in order to determine which one to perform a Cash-out finance with. In the process I have encountered a weird stumbling block where one of the original property values is less than the Cash-Out amount and was hoping someone could weigh in.

House A:
105,000 House Purchase (original investment cash)
<100,000> Cash-out finance cash less fees
5,000 = new investment cash

House B:
80,000 House Purchase (original investment cash)
<100,000> Cash-out Finance cash less fees
<20,000> = new Investment Cash (negative value)

Cash on Cash for above examples
This is where the above examples do not make sense to me. Example B, which pays back the original investment cash (80K), + 20K more, ends up at a lower CoC than A. It feels like the CoC should be over 100% for B.

The following CoC equations assume bothproperties have the same annual net income post Cash-Out option of $3,000. 

CoC = Annual net income / New Investment Cash

A
60% = (3,000/5,000)

B
-15% = (3,000/-20,000)

In sum, any advice would be greatly appreciated as I'm trying to better understand my leverage opportunities and the CoC related to them.

Christian

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  • Tyler GibsonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Orlando, FL · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Christian Sommer your call review link is not working. I can't see all the details to be able to do any analysis. keep in mind that with a cash out refinance most lenders will only do 75% LTV and value will be appraised value. That being said I can't see what your gross rents or expenses are so can't really say what CoC is.

  • Rental Property Investor · Greenwich, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Christian Sommer, your CoC ROI for example "B" is infinite, since you don't actually have any money in the deal anymore. More broadly, I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at? What's the better deal? Well, obviously B, all things being equal.

  • Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Hi, 

    Thank you for the replies. It appears Infinite is the answer I was looking for.

    To add to the info in the example. both homes have the same appraised value and the LTV taken out will be 60%. The example showing Net Incomes takes into account: (Gross Rents - potential Cash-out Mortgage PITI - estimated annual repairs) = net income

    Stephen

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