Best way to partner or use my resources - opinions desired

Best way to partner or use my resources - opinions desired

Real Estate Investor · Mountain View, CA · Member since 2008 · 234 posts · 32 votes

As a frequent reader and occasional poster on this board, I value the opinions I find here immensely and thus, wanted to ask the group for advice on how to handle my situation. In a nutshell:

o Live in SF area of CA, have a day job (which I greatly enjoy) and family so minimal time to devote to RE.
o Have some cash (up to $50k depending on other projects I may have going at any time), can draw on a HELOC, and excellent credit.
o Own 2 rental properties (SFR) that both cash flow.

My question is regarding where to look next for investments. First off - I'm hoping to focus on generating more cash (via rehabs or any other appropriate channel) in the near term rather than building up further rentals (though I would consider holding another 1 or 2 properties even in the near term if cash flow was good). My strategy has been looking to partner with someone out of state on rehabs where I provide the cash/credit and they do everything else (find discounted property, rehab it, and market/sell it). I am finishing up one of these soon which is going fairly well but as I was thinking about it, am I selling my possibilities short?

As I look at an opportunity to partner on, I look for 70% ARV as many of the experts advise. However, that is when an individual is going at it alone - not with a partner. In my case, if the profit split is 50/50, I'm only getting half the benefit of the 30% discount. Obviously I don't expect to get something for nothing but I feel like maybe I'm missing an opportunity here since it's my money on the table vs. my partner's sweat equity. If things go south, I'm holding the bag financially and they only have their time and effort invested.

To be fair and honest with what I bring to the table - with my skill set and existing knowledge, I can't reasonably expect to take on a rehab by myself even locally so doing so from afar is obviously not possible. Given that, does this seem like the right place of RE for me to be playing? Is there a different strategy that may better suit my short-term goal of using my cash/credit to generate more cash? Perhaps I just need to accept that because I am coming from a passive position where I'm looking for something turnkey with little more than putting a very critical eye to the end-to-end transaction, that I should lower my expectations.

Some of the obstacles/concerns I've run into over the past year:
1. Because of a strong financial position, people want me to partner with them on luxury properties. Definitely too risky for me at this point.
2. Many people looking for a partner are too inexperienced for my taste. I want someone with a track record.
3. Many people looking for a partner don't set the bar high enough on an investment. They look at absolute numbers and try to sell me based on that (e.g. $20k expected return on a $200k house). Yes, $20k sounds nice but 90% ARV doesn't sound too good to me.
4. In my opinion, many people don't have any idea how to value property. Zillow is not even close in many cases and even recent local comps need to be scrutinized by looking at Days on Market, Condition of House, Direction of Overall Market, etc.
5. People trying to sell me on "cash back or cash out" in order to meet my goal of generating cash. Cash doesn't come from thin air - if I'm getting extra cash, it's being added to the debt load of the property so I'm robbing Peter to pay Paul. I will have to pay it back some day. I can just as easily draw $50k out of my HELOC if just having cash in my pocket were my goal. This one especially bothers me because people try to sell it as though your getting something for nothing!
6. On my side, I'm comfortable buying and landlording from afar but not with completing both sides of a transaction where I could buy an undervalued property and then flip it (with or without any updating). My biggest concern is my ability to estimate exit/selling price on the property.

I'm sure I've left some things out but this is already lengthy and should give a decent background on myself and my goals. Any and all advice, criticism, etc. is welcome!

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  • Wholesaler · Amarillo, TX · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 659 votes
    19y

    Well it seems like you have a fairly good perspective on things.

    First, as you have already been throwing around, as a passive investor the returns are never going to be as high. I don't think there is much way around that without taking a more active role. There are different strategies to build more capital but they all require more interaction. With your current situation, it seems like partnering on rehabs and investing into rentals are your most feasible options. The only other semi-passive option I can think of is carrying notes, which is similar to rentals, but they have less maintenance but also less return.

    It also seems that you have been dealing with a lot of potential partners that are not experienced, and its good that you've kept your standards high. If they weren't, you would be losing money. Lots of people want to be successful investors, but few understand what it takes.

  • Real Estate Investor · Mountain View, CA · Member since 2008 · 234 posts · 32 votes
    19y

    Thanks for the feedback Ryan. I was hoping that I was missing something obvious but it sounds like my situation is what it is (which still isn't bad - at least my foot's in the door and I have options). I think my biggest question or challenge then continues to be how to find a successful, experienced investor(s) who needs a partner.

  • Wholesaler · Amarillo, TX · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 659 votes
    19y

    I think that is a hard one to overcome also. Most experienced investors don't need help with the money. I'm sure there are some out there, but its going to be slim pickings. Maybe finding a semi-experienced investor that still hasn't established themselves financially would be your best bet.

  • Member since 2008 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    19y

    I second Ryan Webber on this one.

    but Out of State? not unless you personally know the individual, are able to fly to the other state and check on his/her work to supervise, I'd say NO. That's too risky.

  • Member since 2008 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    19y

    T-bone are you just looking for a quick fix and flip for a partner or would you be interested in stepping up to investing in larger cash flow properties? I am putting together partnerships that focuses on monthly cash flow and long term appreciation (3+years)

    Josh

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  • Real Estate Investor · Mountain View, CA · Member since 2008 · 234 posts · 32 votes
    19y

    I'm open to anything that seems to make sense - you can see from my first post in this thread why I have been rejecting most possible opportunities thus far. If you've got something different to offer than what I've heard over and over, I'm all ears. Feel free to PM or email me with some more details and we'll see where it goes.

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