Second opinion(s) on potential deal

Second opinion(s) on potential deal

Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 0 votes

Hi All-

I'm relatively new to the game, and I currently own one SFH as my primary residence. I'm preparing to move for work, and I will be purchasing two properties near my new location while renting out my current house (originally purchased with this rental in mind, and learned a good deal from the process). I'm looking for some second opinions on back of the napkin calculations to compare with my own for two options that I have found for the first new property, located close to my new workplace. I will ultimately buy a second property within the next year, but it will be in a larger metro area nearby so only one (or none) of the following properties are possible right now. I have had my eye on the market for the past five months and have seen deals like these picked up pretty quickly, and I am ready to pull the trigger myself on the next quality deal I find. I plan on visiting them later this week in person. Here is a breakdown of what I'm looking at right now:


Property 1: 3 bed, 2 bath, 1100 sqf. Foreclosure listed at 68,000 with ability to negotiate (however only on the market for two weeks so far). Defaulted loan was a VA loan originated in 2016, appears to be in decent shape but will require minor updates (paint, locks, etc.) and needs a refrigerator. Would require at least 20% down, and I would probably put 25% down based on my financing options, so 13,600-17,000 plus closing (for a number of reasons I need to use an investor loan for this specific property). Comparable properties appear to be in the 90,000-100,000 range, and rent for 850-950$ per month currently. The area is less desirable overall, but closer to the large employer in my area. Likely to attract the lower paid workers from this employer as primary rental crowd. No expectation of appreciation. Built in the late 90's.


Property 2: 3 bed, 2.5 bath, 1400 sqf. Foreclosure listed at 130,000. Likely no ability to negotiate, but VA vendee financing may be available (VA seller financing program), which means only 5% down is required ( $6,775) plus origination fee (can be rolled in to the loan), and there will be no PMI required. All appliances are new and the property overall is in good condition. Has a garage and a large fenced in yard. Located slightly further from the large employer in a desirable school district/more popular town, and will attract the middle management crowd from this employer as well as employees of the nearby university/ more of a middle class crowd. Comparable properties in the area are selling for 150,000-165,000 and renting for 1200. Practically move-in ready. Built in late 2000's, town is the only one in the area likely to see appreciation and has seen 8% increase in rental rates in the past three years.


Although I plan to occupy the property (likely with roommates) initially , I would like to examine both deals from a worst case-rental only perspective because there is no guarantee I will be staying put. Property 2 will likely qualify for a slightly better mortgage rate due to the type of financing, but for the sake of argument I'd like to compare them with identical financing.

For those seasoned veterans out there, what are the considerations that jump out at you? I don't want to prime the pump too much with what I'm thinking, because I'd like to see if I am heading down the right path. Thanks in advance for any ideas!

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  • Portsmouth, VA · Member since 2015 · 330 posts · 191 votes
    7y

    The first property, from a sales perspective, will take a while to sell because of location. Also when you move from that house and you rent it out to that type of tenant family, most likely their living habits will produce a messy property and interior. This will cost extra for clean up and repaint when you rent to new people or sell the property.

    The second house is more likely to be a more desirable home for buyers and give you a quicker market time. Also the tenants living habits should be a cleaner environment both inside and outside thereby reducing cleanup costs vs. the first property. Just saying.

  • Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Thanks for the feedback Mike!

    I agree with you on the difference between the two locations and the likely tenant issues in the first property. After having a local friend check out both properties, I'm ruling out the first one because there are plenty of similar properties that need less work, and the discount is not enough to take on the minor rehab required from the foreclosure as well as the headaches associated with the tenants there. Here is a more in depth breakdown of the second property at list price with the financing available:

    Purchase Price: 135,500
    Down payment: 5%- $6750
    Financed: $128,250
    Terms: 4.00% for 30 Years (Current VA rates I'm seeing are 3.75%)
    Total Cash Outlay: $9250


    Monthly Rent: 1300
    Yearly Gross- 10% Vacancy: 14,040


    Property Taxes: 1551 (Actual)
    Insurance: 800 (conservative)
    Maintenance: 1350 (1%)
    10% Management: 1404
    Placement: 650
    PM Inspections/misc: 275
    Waste/Lawn Care (HOA): 350
    Total Expenses: 6,409

    NOI: 14,040-6409= 7631

    Mortgage PI: 612 x 12 = 7347
    Cash Flow: 284
    Cash ROI: 3.07%
    Equity In Year 1: 2,259
    Total Return: 2,542
    Total ROI: 27.48% With Management
    Without Management: Cash Flow $1,688, Total ROI $3,947 in year 1 or 32.83% with equity (18.24% cash).


    Other items of interest:
    -I will be living in the property for three years, by year 3 I will have a total of 9601+6750= 16,351 of my own money as equity plus whatever equity I capture in the sale. After this point I will be self managing. At year 4 the cash flow with management is $757 for a total return of $3,303 including equity.
    -This property or a similar foreclosure (no other candidates available) are my only way of buying in this town for cash flow (but plenty of cash flowing properties available in the more "blue collar" town nearby), everything else is fairly well picked clean or would require significantly more down, limiting my ability to purchase a second property this year.
    -This is the only available property on the street, others have sold between 145-155k in the past two years. The street is fairly close to an interstate nearby, so this might be the explanation for the price discount? Although the others on the street that sold for 10k+ over this list are also the same distance away.

    I appreciate any feedback on any of the numbers above.
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