Idea for a new mortgage type....would this even work?

Idea for a new mortgage type....would this even work?

Real Estate Agent · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

My BP friends I hope you can help me with this idea.  I have not seen any lenders doing this and I am wondering why?

I would like a loan that adjust the principal every month and loaned me the difference between my current equity and the loan principal in excess of the 80% LTV.

You can do this on HELOC loans. They allow you to pay down the loan and draw money out in the same month. I could pay my P&I, then draw my excess Principle from the loan. Second loans are common with owner occupied SFH. Investment property seconds can be more challenging to find. They are typically a smaller dollar than the first loan. This idea works better on larger loans.

The main reasons to do this is for the tax advantage and to gain access to the equity every month.  The interest on the loan is tax deductible, the principal is not.  Technically deprecation reduces taxable principal as a function of obsolescence.  Now the cool part, loan proceeds are not taxable. Therefore if you received a check every month as a loan, it would not be income in the short term, since it is a loan.  Upon sale of the house you would only have to pay taxes on the appreciation and depreciation recapture.  In the other scenario, if you had equity in the house, the profit from the sale (basis - sale proceeds) would create a larger taxable event.

As I see it equity is money that is not working for me, it is just sitting.  Some people like equity, but I am all about the cash flow.  If I were retiring, I would take a more conservative approach.  I am in rapid growth mode and want every dollar of leverage I can get. 

Example:

I have used round numbers to keep it simple.  There are no extra fees like property tax, insurance, maintenance, etc. 

120k house / 100k loan   80% ltv

$500 a month @ 4.4% makes an even number

30 year Am

Principal    $134

Interest      $366

I send the bank P&I of $500 a month.  $336 is for interest, the lender keeps.

the other $134 is credited to my account and is considered equity

I would then like the lender to reevaluate my loan and determine that I can borrow and additional $134 this month and still be at my 80% LTV. They would issue me a check for the $134.

It looks similar to an interest only loan, but the $134.00 a month is not taxable now or upon sale of the property.

I have made a number of assumptions for my second example:

Rent multiplier of 1x the property would bring $1,000 a month

costs P&I 500 a month

Tax and Ins 200 a month

700 a month costs = 300 a month cash flow - not a bad scenario

Tax liability 300 a month - tax on principal increase upon sale

My mortgage

Rent multiplier of 1x the property would bring $1,000 a month

costs P&I 500 a month

Bank loans you an additoanal  $134 per month

Tax and Ins 200 a month

700 a month costs = 300 + 134 = 434 cash flow 

Tax liability 300 a month and no tax liability for principal increase. 

So, am I on to something or is my logic flawed?  

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  • Real Estate Consultant · Lancaster, CA · Member since 2014 · 423 posts · 223 votes
    9y

    Very interesting model. I also do not believe inputting equity into a house. The only way to take equity out of the house is either to sell the house and incur sales cost or to take a loan against the equity incur interest costs. Why put the equity in the house the first place?

    I've developed a 30 year lease purchase program where the buyer put a down payment 11.5% and has the option to purchase the house at a fixed price for the next 30 Years. They now earn 10% interest on their deposit and mathematically in 30 years due to compounding their deposit will grow to equal the purchase price of the house. In the meantime they leased the house on a year by year basis. Their deposit is non-refundable but all of their interest is theirs to take whenever they want to. The interest they earn is equal to their equity. In this scenario they know that their Equity is earning 10% every single year.

    I am basically buying money at 10% interest per year and I invest that money to generate 25% returns in 6 months. I buy money low and I sell money high. Tell me what you think of that?

    Stay Blessed!

  • Real Estate Agent · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    I am not following your numbers.  In year 23, they have more than enough in interest to cover the price of the house.  In the short term they take a bath on the loss of the deposit, should they not purchase the house.  In the long term, you are underwater.  My calculation is in year 30 you owe them 2x the value of the house they are buying.  

    Could you take me though your numbers?  How many people do you have on this plan?

    Secondly, why wouldn't they just get an FHA mortgage with 3.5% down? They are putting money down and paying you a lease payment?

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