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Updated about 9 years ago on . Most recent reply

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James Masotti
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Pick apart my offers so the next ones are stronger

James Masotti
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Washington Township, NJ
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Hey guys...so far it's kind of been crickets on offers I've submitted for fix and flips. I know that a lot of people submit as many as 20 or 30 offers before they will get one accepted. REO's around here are ridiculously over priced here anyway...at least of course that's my opinion.

Anyway...here are the numbers on the deals I've looked at. All of the repair costs are estimates I've put together based on spending several hours at Lowe's and Home Depot getting material costs and using J Scott's book on Estimating Rehab Costs to ballpark the labor costs. I've bounced these numbers off my realtor, other local investors from my REIA, and two different contracts and they've said that they think I'm in the right ball park on these estimates. Let me know your thoughts so I can improve my deal analysis and submit stronger offers.

Each deal with have a separate post below this main one, to keep things a bit more organized and allow people to comment on specific deals.  Thanks again for everyone's feedback! Hopefully this will help me and other newbie's learn how to best submit our offers!

Some background on my financing too I suppose before moving forward with this...I am qualified for a HML at 4 points and 14.9% interest only for 12 months. However I have a private lender willing to fund up to on some of the costs at 10% interest on his loan value, for second position with no payments until closing (i.e. If I borrow $10k I owe him $1000 at the end whether I borrow for 3 months or 10 months), and I was recently qualified by a small local bank for a construction loan with 1 point and prime + 1% interest only for 6 months with an option to extend to 12. I also have some personal funds to contribute...so this all takes into account the best possible scenario I'm able to come up with for minimizing my holdings costs.

I guess my main question is...as a newbie...am I building in too much extra for into the "oh crap I really screwed this up and I'm totally going to lose my shirt" fund? Also the offer prices indicated are only starting offer prices and give me the ability to work my way up a bit if there's a counter offer. The rationale behind having such "large" potential profits...isn't that I'm greedy, but that I'm trying to budget for my screw ups...

However...I'm already factoring in 9 months to complete when I'm hoping it's really closer to 4-6 months. And I have a 10% buffer built into my repair costs. So do I really need an extra $5-10k (after expecting to come up on my offer price a bit) built into the profit as well? 

Thanks in advance for everyone's collective wisdom!

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After Repair Value: $200,000

Closing Costs at time of purchase: $3,717

Monthly Holding Costs: $1,622

Interest Payments: $905

Property Taxes: $537

Electricity: $50

Water: $30

Insurance $100

Number of months holding costs: 9

Total carrying costs: $16,693

Repairs $84,272 + 10% Contingency = $92,700

TASK UNIT Materials Needed Line Item Cost
Asphalt Shingles Per Square 30 $6,600.00
Build Deck Per SF 150 $2,700.00
Large Concrete Jobs Per SF 1000 $5,000.00
Install Sod Per SF 2000 $4,700.00
Roll-Off Dumpster Dumpster 4 $1,400.00
Full Demo Per SF 1000 $400.00
Service Call Per Hour 16 $1,360.00
Natural Gas Hot Water Heater - 50 Gallon Per House 1 $710.00
Replace All Supply Lines Per Fixture 4 $800.00
Install/Replace Tub Per Tub 3 $1,050.00
Build Tile Shower Per SF 225 $4,387.50
Kitchen Sink Per Sink 1 $120.00
Bathroom Sink Per Sink 3 $210.00
Kitchen Faucet Per Sink 1 $90.00
Bathroom Faucet Per Sink 3 $210.00
Trim Kit Only Per Tub 3 $390.00
Install/Replace Toilet Per Toilet 3 $510.00
Replace Washer Box Per Box 1 $175.00
Rewire House Per Fixture 100 $10,000.00
Replace Furnace Per Unit 1 $1,800.00
Compressor + Coil Per Unit 1 $2,750.00
Frame Walls Per LF 30 $360.00
Wall Board Per SF 500 $580.00
Non-Wall Board Per SF 500 $630.00
Exterior Door Per Door 1 $800.00
Interior Door Per Door 6 $1,020.00
Replace Window Per Window 20 $5,400.00
Repaint Per Floor SF 1000 $2,250.00
Paint New Sheetrock Per Floor SF 600 $1,560.00
Install Kitchen Cabinets Per linear inch 324 $5,670.00
36" Vanity Per Vanity 3 $690.00
Granite Countertops Per SF 50 $4,600.00
Install Solid Wood (Site-Finished) Per SF 1000 $6,000.00
Install Tile Per SF 700 $3,850.00
Permits Per House 1 $200.00
Refrigerator Per Appliance 1 $1,500.00
Range Per Appliance 1 $1,200.00
Dishwasher Per Appliance 1 $550.00
Microwave Per Appliance 1 $300.00
Washer/Dryer Set Per Set 1 $1,500.00
House Cleaning Per House 1 $250.00

Commission to Realtor at time of Sale 7% - $14,000

Interest to Private Lender: $933

Offer Price: $37,000

Potential Profit: $38,375 --> Some factors about this one…it's on a busy road and there aren't a lot of similar style houses to use as comps, the house does sit on a larger sized lot for the area though. Based on this my realtor and I didn't have as high of confidence in the ARV, so I wanted extra buffer room on this one. House is in rough shape having been completely vandalized and he house next door is also vacant (trying to contact owners about buying this property as well), even though this is in a very desirable area.

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