Good multi-fam deal for buy & hold or flip?

Good multi-fam deal for buy & hold or flip?

Stratford, CT · Member since 2014 · 51 posts · 27 votes

I'm about to make an offer on a 2 family home in Ansonia, Connecticut.  If this offer is accepted this would be my first property that I will be attempting to wholesale.  The owners are motivated. They initially asked for $70k but after my 2nd visit to the property said they would take $60k.  Here are the specifics:

  • Downstairs apartment has 2/1. The lower level is finished and could serve as a 3rd bedroom (there is a room that could serve as a walk-in closet).
  • The upstairs apartment is 3/1. 
  • The downstairs has a tenant that will be leaving before the property sells.
  • The downstairs property can get away with cosmetic fixing, mostly cleaning needed to get it rent ready for someone else. The most costly thing would probably be fixing the light/fan in the bathroom.
  • The upstairs kitchen and bathroom need to be put back together.  The current owners have cabinets for the kitchen and a vanity for the bathroom at the location that would stay but nothing else. The upstairs also needs the floors refinished, painting, cleaning.
  • The decks were okayed by an inspector according to the current owner but they look like they don't have many years left.
  • The yard is like a jungle so it needs to be cut/trimmed
  • Some of the siding shingles needs to be repaired or replaced
  • They ran new electrical wiring upstairs but it needs to be connected to the box in the basement.
  • The owner has agreed to remove the dumpster currently in the front yard and clear out all the "trash" there before it sells.

ARV: $98-102,000

Repair costs: $20k on the mid/high side

Using 70% of ARV and an assignment fee of $5k it looks like my MAO would be about $43k.

The owners are also including the extra lot of land next door to the property.  There was a very tiny 1/1 house on it that burned down many years ago and now the space is used for parking.  So i'd be getting 2 pieces of land in the deal.

The owners just want to be free of the home so they can move out of state.  I know just from a public records search that there are about $20k worth of liens on the property.

Does getting the property under contract at $60k seem like a good deal or would my MAO of about $43k be the only way to make it work?

Also, if I do get this under contract at either price, does it look more enticing to a flipper or buy and hold person

Thanks!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Norwalk, CT · Member since 2013 · 276 posts · 147 votes
    12y
    Hi Shvonne Craig I think this would make more sense for a buy and hold investor, but really that would depend more on the rental income the property could provide. Do you have any information on the income and expenses of the property? Any buyer, whether flipper or buy and hold, is going to want to know that information, as well as more information about the second lot and the development potential there. Good luck!
  • Property Manager · CT · Member since 2014 · 687 posts · 329 votes
    12y

    What would the property rent for?

  • Stratford, CT · Member since 2014 · 51 posts · 27 votes
    12y

    @Craig Bellot the 3/1 could rent for $950-1000. The 2/1 could rent for $850-900.

    @Daniel Raposo what type of buy and hold expenses do you mean? The property has no mortgage. Right now the electric and water is off in the vacant property. 

  • Property Manager · CT · Member since 2014 · 687 posts · 329 votes
    12y

    This would definetly work as a buy and hold.  It meets the 2% rule which is the minimum rent to value I would accept in Connecticut due to our high property taxes.  

    I don't see enough margin there for a flip taking holding costs into account. 

  • Rehabber · Niantic, CT · Member since 2012 · 443 posts · 150 votes
    12y

    It appears to be a buy-and-hold property, unless the owners came way down on what they'd accept. And what's going to happen w/the liens? You might have to tack 20k onto your "rehab" numbers if the lien falls to you to pay off, bringing your MAO that much lower (from 43k to 23k). If you haven't already, I'd also take a trip to town hall to check for yourself what liens are on record and what permits, if any, were pulled. I'm wondering why the owner allegedly had an inspector to look at the decks, for one thing. The Building Dept/Zoning Official, etc, could also fill you in on whether they have any outstanding issues w/the property (any cease-and-desists, blight complaints, whatever).

    Good luck!

  • Stratford, CT · Member since 2014 · 51 posts · 27 votes
    12y

    Thanks @Craig Bellot and @Karin Crompton for the information and guidance.  

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