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Debit Management Fees from NOI or not?

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I can argue both sides. Should someone "running the numbers" of a multifamily property include management fees when determining NOI to determine cap rate?

Professional management is optional and has a fixed cost/percentage.

Self management is "free" - it has a cost but less tangible than hired management.

If someone is trying to do multifamily BRRRR math do you include management cost in your NOI?

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