How BRRRR works when you have equity in a home you live in???

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How BRRRR works when you have equity in a home you live in???

Angela Zanti
Member since 2022 · 41 posts · 21 votes

Hi! I guess the easiest way is to explain my situation now. The house I live in with my hubby and kids is titled in me and my dads name but the mortgage is in my dads name only. We have lived her for 15+ years and have a good amount of equity. My dad wants the house out of his name and my name only on the mortgage. I was already told I could cash out refinance and take my dads name off and put my name only on the mortgage. We owe about 35,000 left. Smaller comps in the immediate area are selling for about 80,000 in unfixed condition. I unfortunately have no comps in the immediate area that are fixed but the neighborhood next to us (within 2 miles away) has houses in fixed condition selling for 160,000-200,000. With all this being said I want to BRRRR!!!! I understand BRRRRing but I'm stuck on do I cash out refinance in as is condition to get the money to rehab first and then refinance again to get the money back? Or do I rehab without refinancing now and then refinance after rehab? If that's the case I wouldn't have the money to rehab 😑 I'm also stuck on HOW do you rehab a house you and your family live in? I have a 4 and 5yr old and I could imagine them painting in back of the painter with their makers 🤦🏻‍♀️ Can someone please give me a idea of how it works or am I overthinking things?? I also know the flat roof is very old so I feel like that would need to be repaired.

Thank you for any ideas specific to my situation ❤️

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Drew Cates
Pittsburgh Metro · Member since 2022 · 1 post · 2 votes
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@Angela Zanti,  As @Kenneth Cheston said, it sounds like you're referring to an FHA loan, which BP regularly recommends for house hacking due to the potential for extremely low (3.5%) down payments. There might be more than one type, but it appears you typically must live in the property as a primary residence for 1 year before you could move out and fully rent all units.

https://www.fhaloans.com/artic....

I agree with @Masha Rizzi that since you have a lot of equity in the home, it might be easiest to use a HELOC to renovate and get to that higher value prior to refinance. Though it would be smart to check with an appraiser or others to ensure of the realistic ARV before you begin. Good luck!

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  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    @Angela Zanti Ah, I can get you squared away here.  Let me try to tackle these one at a time:

    1. Removing your Father - you can remove your father from the TITLE of the home without refinancing.  Any title company can do this for you.  It's one piece of paper.  Super easy.  BUT to remove your father from the loan would formally need to be REFINANCED.

    2. Refinancing & Rehab - there are renovation loans that you can get to renovate your property. Not every lender offers these so you may have to call around a little to find a few that do them but you can REFINANCE (to remove your father) and then wrap the new REHAB into your loan. There's no reason to refinance ever again - which is good because refinance has "closing costs". So if we can do it once, that's less fees for us. You'll need a contractor pretty early in the process of the loan. That contractor would then provide a bid of the work you want done. That bid is given to the appraiser who then appraises the property at the AFTER REPAIR VALUE (ARV). And your loan is based on that amount. You can leave as little as 5% of equity in your property this route. Meaning, if your home would be worth $200k, then your loan could be up to $190k. You don't have to go that high of course but that's how high you COULD go if you needed. You can even wrap all the closing costs in as long as you don't go over that amount. So nothing out of pocket - well, you would be required to pay for the appraisal. But that's about it.

    Anyway, hope all of that makes sense.  Feel free to post anything else if you need.  Thanks!

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  • Angela Zanti
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    Member since 2022 · 41 posts · 21 votes
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    Quote from @Andrew Postell:

    @Angela Zanti Ah, I can get you squared away here.  Let me try to tackle these one at a time:

    1. Removing your Father - you can remove your father from the TITLE of the home without refinancing.  Any title company can do this for you.  It's one piece of paper.  Super easy.  BUT to remove your father from the loan would formally need to be REFINANCED.

    2. Refinancing & Rehab - there are renovation loans that you can get to renovate your property. Not every lender offers these so you may have to call around a little to find a few that do them but you can REFINANCE (to remove your father) and then wrap the new REHAB into your loan. There's no reason to refinance ever again - which is good because refinance has "closing costs". So if we can do it once, that's less fees for us. You'll need a contractor pretty early in the process of the loan. That contractor would then provide a bid of the work you want done. That bid is given to the appraiser who then appraises the property at the AFTER REPAIR VALUE (ARV). And your loan is based on that amount. You can leave as little as 5% of equity in your property this route. Meaning, if your home would be worth $200k, then your loan could be up to $190k. You don't have to go that high of course but that's how high you COULD go if you needed. You can even wrap all the closing costs in as long as you don't go over that amount. So nothing out of pocket - well, you would be required to pay for the appraisal. But that's about it.

    Anyway, hope all of that makes sense.  Feel free to post anything else if you need.  Thanks!

    is that the 203k loan? I was hoping to do a regular cash out refinance because I heard 203ks can get very messy if you don’t know what your doing. I’m also wondering with me already living here would I cash out refinance, live here when the repairs are being done and then refinance again to move out to repeat? 

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  • Kenneth Cheston
    Real Estate Agent · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2020 · 65 posts · 24 votes
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    Hi Angela,

    I just bought a duplex that was my primary residence last year and was able to pull money out using a cash out refinance after some renovation BUT you don’t have to renovate to do a cash out refinance especially since it seems like you have a bunch of equity already.


    I think if I understand you correctly you want to continue to live in your home but cash out some of your equity to purchase a rental property that could potential be a future BRRR? If that's the case you can start talking to local lenders and get a better picture of what your terms could be. I had better terms with credit unions (I recommend BCEFCU). I would be weary of comparing your property to homes 2 miles away. As you know, Baltimore is a block by block city. Even at $80,000 though you could potential get 75-80% of that value out (typical conditions) and have about $15,000-$20,000 in your pocket after paying off your previous loan and loan costs. This is super ballpark numbers and keep in mind your monthly payment will go up especially with the rates trending upward as well. Lastly, it could be worth hiring an appraiser to take a look at your property so you have a better idea of how much your house is worth but Zillow estimate is actually not a bad guess either. Anyways just my take. I'm a rookie but figured I'd offer local advice.

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  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    @Angela Zanti the 203K loan is ONE type of renovation loan (and there are 2 different 203K loans as well).  Fannie Mae also has a renovation loan.  And there are other types too.  Speak with a lender about these options to know more.  

    And as mentioned above, you can certainly take the cash out now.....as long as you have enough equity to cover the rehab you need and as long as your home is in "reasonable" condition.  How much "equity" do you need?  What is "reasonable" condition?  Speak with your lender about what it would take to receive a cash out loan.

    The point here is that you can certainly do what you are trying to accomplish.  Knowing the details will help with what route is best.  It might be good to go ahead and get some contractors to provide you some bids - that way you know HOW MUCH money you will need in the first place.  Then you can go talk to a lender about a cash out loan or a renovation loan.

    Hope all of that makes sense.

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  • Masha Rizzi
    Investor · houston, TX · Member since 2021 · 44 posts · 17 votes
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    With rates going up right now, it may be worth it to talk to your dad and see if he wouldn't mind continuing the mortgage as is (and having you make all the payments and such until it is paid off since you don't have much left to go). 

    What I would do - instead of going through the refinancing process to get cash out for your repairs, you could get a HELOC for your repairs. Once the repairs/renovations are done *then* refinance. BRRRRing your property should increase the value so your refinance can have a bigger cashout at that point if you want to use it to pay off what you took from the HELOC and potentially put the remainder towards another home. With the refinance in the end, you still get your father off the mortgage (assuming he doesn't mind continuing to wait for that) .


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  • Angela Zanti
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    Member since 2022 · 41 posts · 21 votes
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    Quote from @Masha Rizzi:

    With rates going up right now, it may be worth it to talk to your dad and see if he wouldn't mind continuing the mortgage as is (and having you make all the payments and such until it is paid off since you don't have much left to go). 

    What I would do - instead of going through the refinancing process to get cash out for your repairs, you could get a HELOC for your repairs. Once the repairs/renovations are done *then* refinance. BRRRRing your property should increase the value so your refinance can have a bigger cashout at that point if you want to use it to pay off what you took from the HELOC and potentially put the remainder towards another home. With the refinance in the end, you still get your father off the mortgage (assuming he doesn't mind continuing to wait for that) .


    Hi thank you for the response. I wonder can I get a HELOC if the mortgage is only in my dads name? My dad don’t mind keeping it in his name but he wants it in my name ASAP. I hope to move in about a year or so but I definitely want to keep all my properties as rentals. When you BRRRR don’t it have to be in you primary residence?
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  • Masha Rizzi
    Investor · houston, TX · Member since 2021 · 44 posts · 17 votes
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    @Angela Zanti I'm not sure about the HELOC if the mortgage is in your dad's name. It's worth shopping around. Maybe you could also somehow get yourself added to the mortgage in addition to him? Definitely worth a call to the mortgage provider.

    Also - you don't have to BRRRR only your primary residence! I am currently in the BRRRR process for an investment property.

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  • Kerry BairdPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Angela Zanti

    If your name is on the deed, you own the property, and you are able to get new financing. There is a mortgage, which is the debt, and there is a deed which shows ownership. To get financing, you will need to have ownership.

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  • Angela Zanti
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    Member since 2022 · 41 posts · 21 votes
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    Quote from @Masha Rizzi:

    @Angela Zanti I'm not sure about the HELOC if the mortgage is in your dad's name. It's worth shopping around. Maybe you could also somehow get yourself added to the mortgage in addition to him? Definitely worth a call to the mortgage provider.

    Also - you don't have to BRRRR only your primary residence! I am currently in the BRRRR process for an investment property.

    Ok. So I thought you had to live in the house you BRRRR. Now I’m wondering what it was that you have to live in the house for 1/2yrs? Maybe it was for tax purposes. 
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  • Kenneth Cheston
    Real Estate Agent · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2020 · 65 posts · 24 votes
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    Hi @Angela Zanti, looks like you got some helpful tips. Love BP.

    SO I had an FHA loan and I could not rent out both units until a year had surpassed (in the contract). I could have rented one of them, but I was slow to renovate. Typically you have to live in your primary residence for a year before renting with homeowner loans.

    For BRRR, you can BRRR just about anything. It's simply Buying the property, Renovating it, Renting it, then Refinancing (or HELOC, HEL) to hopefully get all your money back while the tenant pays the new loan.

    Best of luck!

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  • Drew Cates
    Pittsburgh Metro · Member since 2022 · 1 post · 2 votes
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    @Angela Zanti,  As @Kenneth Cheston said, it sounds like you're referring to an FHA loan, which BP regularly recommends for house hacking due to the potential for extremely low (3.5%) down payments. There might be more than one type, but it appears you typically must live in the property as a primary residence for 1 year before you could move out and fully rent all units.

    https://www.fhaloans.com/artic....

    I agree with @Masha Rizzi that since you have a lot of equity in the home, it might be easiest to use a HELOC to renovate and get to that higher value prior to refinance. Though it would be smart to check with an appraiser or others to ensure of the realistic ARV before you begin. Good luck!

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