Peter Vekselman and Joe McCall

[Justin Morgan]

Has anyone talked to these guys?  Peter Vekselman and Joe McCall?

I’m always interested in ways I can plug holes in my business and farm out the things that I am not best at.  So I looked into Peter Vekselman and Joe McCall at www.realestateinvestingmastery.com

I ran across Joe McCall on iTunes Podcast and I listened to a number of them. Joe is doing a great job networking and getting his name know in the “coaching” industry with his products.

What really interested me in Joe is his approach on “PARTNERING” with other successful investors and growing their business while splitting profits 50/50. He does marketing (that he is good at) in my market and we split the deals I close with him. This sounded interesting to me as "direct mail system" are not my strong suit.... so I submitted some information online.

This morning I got a call from Joe’s partner Peter Vekselman wanting to talk about how we can “work together”. I shared my real estate story/history and then he shared what they are good at and doing.

1. Marketing.

2. Long Term Investments

3. Wholesaling or Flips.

The conversation was all about their success and what they are "going to do for me". (half of which I don’t need and already have in place)... but he did not bother to ask!

About 10 minutes into the conversation he went into how this “partnering” is set up…

Pay them $15k upfront and $1000 a month.

After a little more talking he said “can you see yourself participating in this?” I simply replied… “No. If I had $15k to throw at marketing and another $1000 a month, I could hire a few people, saturate my market and keep 100% of the deals”. Peter quickly said… “well it’s not for you, have a good day.”

I was totally BLOWN-AWAY… end of conversation that quick!!

So the warring I share is biased on this… do these guys really want to partner or do they just want your $15k and $1000 month? Are they willing to talk with those that don’t just roll over and pay them?

I like partners that 1. communicate and 2. challenge my way of thinking to find a better result.

I would have been open to hearing more about the “partnering” but the very second I did not agree with Peter Vekselman the conversation ended.

This makes me sad and very frustrated at the same time for the new or vulnerable investor that "roll over"!

Doesn’t sound like anyone I would ever want to partner with.

Hope my experience might help someone else looking into these guys!

[Justin Morgan]

I'm getting a lot of requests about this post so here is the follow-up after my conversation with Joe McCall. 

Disclosure: this is my opinion and nothing more!

"If you listen to Brandon and Josh and any of the experienced investors on BP... SAVE YOUR MONEY and NEVER give it to a Guru"... These guys are wanna-bee guru's but the same applies.  

If that statement is not enough for you here are my further thoughts and opinion... Joe and Peter are "still trying to figure out what they are selling you".  

Joe was VERY nice on the phone (after many rounds of phone tag as he travels the states in semi retirement).  Peter was simply a jerk.

So ask yourself:  Do you want to give $1000 month and $15k to... a jerk and a guy who is in Semi retirement.  Again "save your money", they still have not figured out what they are selling and will use your money to either 1. figure it out or 2. spend it on travel etc. 

What Joe and Peter are selling sounds good from stage (or a podcast) but it is simply a way for you as a new or newer investor to part with you hard earned money.  It has almost ZERO practical application and it is terrible difficult for them or you to track... that is why they need your $15k upfront as an "are you serious fee".  There is nothing on the backend and nothing to motivate them to stay with you as your "partner".

They make their money when they get your $15k.

Solution:  After much research and many recommendations I "partnered up" with Jerry Pucket (search his name on BP) and paid him to help me get more mail in the mail.  The phone wont stop ringing.  

Jerry makes his money helping me get mailings done and a better system and he is DANG GOOD AT IT.  He does NOT charge upfront fees...  He charges a few cents on each pieces of mail and makes his "millions" that way... j/k.  

Jerry is the type of "partner" you want.  He is successful when you are successful and you send more mail.  Thus doing more deals. 

Peter Vekselman and Joe McCall are guys trying to live the Guru dream selling you a dream... but the backend support.  You will not see it. 

Practical application will come much better from a "partner" like Jerry Pucket.

Best,