Phill Grove

[Gina Mills]

Good evening All,

I am thinking of attending a real estate workshop.  Has anyone ever heard of? and if so, please advise.  Thank you.

[Greg Carr]

Seriously, I am very late here, but my mind is blown at this discussion. I'll respond for future readers. Everything that is offered in his ridiculously overpriced program is offered at reasonable prices elsewhere. I have yet to meet a millionaire who got there from Phill.

He is an excellent speaker and presenter. Definitely. But his program is a complete ripoff. A legitimate program should not cost more than ~$500. Everything else he offers, like an auto-responder etc., is easily found elsewhere on the internet and through talking to local investors at meetups.

His program is a sales funnel. Get you in for the low low price of $2500 or whatever, then upsell you for $10-20k. Rather than actually investing that money, because the individual is scared, they throw their money at someone who gets them pumped up because they feel like he'll make them successful.

Seriously, I've been to plenty of these events hoping to network and maybe learn something (especially a bit about sales pitches), and a lot of them have a very similar pitch. Let me ask you: would a legitimate investor need to pitch you on their program so hard? Or would a legitimate investor actually be out there investing? They make their money by ripping off naive, innocent people, not by actually being successful.

Here is my advice: get a real, local mentor, and attend local meetups (which are free or nearly). Find someone who has done it, and is doing it. Ask them questions, meet them at properties, watch them do their thing and ask questions. These guru programs are full of sleazy salesmen, not investors. You should have seen Phill's wife's face when I asked of her opinion about my company, and started trying to have an actual discussion with her. It's like all that confidence and "intelligence" she presented up front just went in the tank in about 30 seconds.

Nonetheless, I did get a picture with Phill on the last day.