Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get
Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
ANNUAL Save 54%
$32.50 /mo
$390 billed annualy
MONTHLY
$69 /mo
billed monthly
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
×
Take Your Forum Experience
to the Next Level
Create a free account and join over 3 million investors sharing
their journeys and helping each other succeed.
Use your real name
By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.
Already a member?  Login here
Tax Liens & Mortgage Notes
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

Updated about 6 years ago on . Most recent reply

User Stats

51
Posts
12
Votes
Peter Grote
  • Investor
  • Seattle, WA
12
Votes |
51
Posts

Looking to create a note to sell to investors

Peter Grote
  • Investor
  • Seattle, WA
Posted

I currently have a hard money loan that I did on a property at 12% interest and am in 1st position on the deed since I provided the full capital for purchasing the property with cash. The new owner thought he'd be able to quickly get a traditional mortgage but is finding that he's not qualifying due to being self employed as a contractor and so shows variable income. I'm interested in restructuring his note  so that he can begin making monthly payments to "season" it and then ultimately sell it to another investor as a performing note. 

I'm curious if a 6% interest rate on approx 250k (on a 30 yr am) would be something that I will be easily able to sell? and if so, could I do so after a few months, or does it typically need 6 months of seasoning? Also what would be a typical amount that I can hope to sell the note for, 85%, 90%, 95%, 100% of it's value? And are there other costs I should budget for in that sale?

Thank you!

Most Popular Reply

User Stats

1,530
Posts
1,103
Votes
Andy Mirza
  • Lender
  • Ladera Ranch, CA
1,103
Votes |
1,530
Posts
Andy Mirza
  • Lender
  • Ladera Ranch, CA
Replied
Originally posted by @Peter Grote:

I currently have a hard money loan that I did on a property at 12% interest and am in 1st position on the deed since I provided the full capital for purchasing the property with cash. The new owner thought he'd be able to quickly get a traditional mortgage but is finding that he's not qualifying due to being self employed as a contractor and so shows variable income. I'm interested in restructuring his note  so that he can begin making monthly payments to "season" it and then ultimately sell it to another investor as a performing note. 

I'm curious if a 6% interest rate on approx 250k (on a 30 yr am) would be something that I will be easily able to sell? and if so, could I do so after a few months, or does it typically need 6 months of seasoning? Also what would be a typical amount that I can hope to sell the note for, 85%, 90%, 95%, 100% of it's value? And are there other costs I should budget for in that sale?

Thank you!

Most of the investors here that buy performing notes are looking for at least 9% yield. Plugging your numbers into a financial calculator lets me know that a note buyer who wants a 9% yield will be willing to pay $186,283.14 for your note or 75% of face value. There are guys out there that will pay more but you'll have to find them. They will also differ in how much seasoning they require but, generally, the longer the seasoning, the more you can get for your note. There are guys who will buy that with no seasoning.

How much effort did the borrower really take to get himself refinanced? There are lots of non-QM loan products out there but the borrower will have to pay higher interest. I'd really encourage him to find a way out himself. If he tried one or two lenders and then quit trying, he needs to try at least a dozen before he tells you he can't get financing.

That also begs the question: if he can't get regular financing, why would you give him a 6% interest rate? Be aware of the usury laws in your state but I'd consider a higher interest rate. That could be enough motivation for the borrower to get financed elsewhere and reward you for the risk you're taking. Also, the higher the interest rate you charge, the higher the yield will be to the note buyer you sell to, which will give you a higher exit point if you go that route.

Loading replies...