Novice investor needing advice

Novice investor needing advice

Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 1 vote

My husband and I will be taking over his parents’ house in Dorchester(located near fields corner) due to the passing of his dad and his mom not really wanting to be a homeowner anymore. It’s a 2 family with tenants on the first floor and my mother in law on the second/third floor. We have no landlord/investing exp(we currently rent in Quincy) but want to buy our first property in the next year. We want to do a multi family house hack so I can pay down my student loans(currently have 200k in debt) I have a few questions and my apologies in advance if this sounds very basic but we really have no experience. 

1. The rent at my inlaw’s place is currently way below market value. They are paying 1200 for a 3br 1ba and parking is included.  Rents in surrounding areas are 1900+. They are long term tenants( I think they have been living there for 10yrs plus). The rent covers the majority of the mortgage with out of pocket expense from my in laws being 200 bucks a month. I know the apartment needs updating just not sure how much(planning on doing a walk through hopefully this wknd). Is it a good idea to raise the rent and if the tenant moves get financing(maybe a home equity loan) and rehab the apartment and get new tenants to pay market value? 

2. We want to buy a multi family and house hack it to be able to live rent free or possibly lower housing cost so I can aggressively pay down my debt.  Would it be smart instead of trying to change anything at the Dorchester property use the equity for a down payment on a house for us so I can get closer to my goal of getting rid of my student loans? 

3. My in laws’s house comes with 3000sq ft vacant land right next to the house. What can I do with the lot from an investor’s point of view?

We plan on going to real estate investors meeting this wk to try and network. Is there any other suggestions anyone recommends to help educate us. Thanks in advance for your help!!!

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  • China, ME · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Judy A.  The very first thing you should do is to get educated on landlord/tenant laws in MA - which as you might know, are very heavily biased in favor of tenants.   Try something like this: http://nwsoma.org/homebuyer-education/landlord-training/

    Next, you should learn about fair housing laws.  Here's a start: https://www.mass.gov/service-details/overview-of-fair-housing-law

    There are a lot of ways to go wrong, so that's time worth investing as mistakes can be expensive.

    Without knowing specifics, I'd say that using equity as a down payment on a house hack (you get big leverage) will yield better results than using it to improve the Dorchester house (you get incremental rent increase).

    As to the 3,000 sq ft lot, selling it to a builder might work IF it's buildable.  The city can tell you if it's large enough to build.  If it's not, maybe a garage for the existing home, or just use it for a nicer back/side yard.

    Good luck!

  • Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    Thank you for the suggestions. I’m definitely going to look into the landlord class. I keep reading that any mistake made can be costly so getting fully educated is my goal. Would u mind explaining the bigger leverage piece of buying a new property instead of fixing my in-laws place? Thanks again!!!

    Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

    @Judy A.  The very first thing you should do is to get educated on landlord/tenant laws in MA - which as you might know, are very heavily biased in favor of tenants.   Try something like this: http://nwsoma.org/homebuyer-education/landlord-training/

    Next, you should learn about fair housing laws.  Here's a start: https://www.mass.gov/service-details/overview-of-fair-housing-law

    There are a lot of ways to go wrong, so that's time worth investing as mistakes can be expensive.

    Without knowing specifics, I'd say that using equity as a down payment on a house hack (you get big leverage) will yield better results than using it to improve the Dorchester house (you get incremental rent increase).

    As to the 3,000 sq ft lot, selling it to a builder might work IF it's buildable.  The city can tell you if it's large enough to build.  If it's not, maybe a garage for the existing home, or just use it for a nicer back/side yard.

    Good luck!

  • China, ME · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Judy A. What I mean is that you can take $X and do one of two things:

    a. Improve the Dorchester property. You should be able to raise rents somewhat - after the current leases expire.

    or...

    b. Use the same cash as a down payment for another home for you to house hack.  Especially if you buy another multi-family, should yield much a higher profit.

    I'm comparing an incremental increase in rents to the much larger gain from house hacking.

    Make sense?

  • Real Estate Agent · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 65 posts · 32 votes
    7y

    A big question would be if there is a loan on the home. If not, and you can cash flow it, keep it! The golden rule in real estate is not to ever sell a property unless you absolutely have to (especially if it cash flows!). You may be able to tap into the equity for something else down the road. Charlie gave great advise on getting educated. Inheriting a tenant can be a nightmare if not handled correctly.

    David

  • Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    Thanks!! That’s what I was thinking but just wanted to be sure. 
    Originally posted by @Charlie MacPherson:

    @Judy A. What I mean is that you can take $X and do one of two things:

    a. Improve the Dorchester property. You should be able to raise rents somewhat - after the current leases expire.

    or...

    b. Use the same cash as a down payment for another home for you to house hack.  Especially if you buy another multi-family, should yield much a higher profit.

    I'm comparing an incremental increase in rents to the much larger gain from house hacking.

    Make sense?

  • Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 1 vote
    7y
    Yes it still has a loan on it. To my understanding my father in law had refinanced and maybe tapped into the equity of the house at one point. We have no intentions on selling.  The tenants living there have been there for years. I’m hoping they don’t give us any problems. The only thing that gives me some peace is if they did leave we could cover the mortgage payment ourselves so we aren’t desperate to keep them. Just want to make sure we are doing the right thing. 
    Originally posted by @David Cahill:

    A big question would be if there is a loan on the home. If not, and you can cash flow it, keep it! The golden rule in real estate is not to ever sell a property unless you absolutely have to (especially if it cash flows!). You may be able to tap into the equity for something else down the road. Charlie gave great advise on getting educated. Inheriting a tenant can be a nightmare if not handled correctly.

    David

  • Natick, MA · Member since 2013 · 86 posts · 47 votes
    7y

    is your Mother in law going to be staying in Unit 2? And are you happy with staying in your Quincy apartment for the time being?  If your mother in law is moving out then you could rent unit 2 at fair market value and you should also increase the rent for unit 1 to get closer to fair market (if they are good tenants always paying on time and take care of the property then you could consider increasing rent incrementally in an attempt to keep them). You should then have a really strong amount of cash flow to satisfy your main objective which is to pay down student loans. If your Mother in Law is staying then you should look to increase rent to full market value to use towards debt. 

    With regards to the lot next door, if it's too small to build a house/sell to a builder then maybe look into building a garage/carriage house with a 1 bed unit above the garage for additional rental income.

    Is your only goal to pay down debt or is it to also build up a rental property portfolio? If you are interested in building a rental portfolio and owning property, then you should consider speaking with a local bank to set up a HELOC and pull out equity to use towards the purchase of an additional house hack multi family property. Not sure what you are currently paying for rent but the hope is that the rent you receive from the tenants in the house hack property will offset a solid chunk of the mortgage resulting in a lower payment than what you're your currently paying for the apartment and allowing you to throw even more money towards student debt.

  • New to Real Estate · Middleboro, MA · Member since 2018 · 56 posts · 27 votes
    7y

    @Judy A. If the vacant lot is big enough to build a garage with a one bedroom unit or even a studio you could live in that and direct your current rent payment towards your student loans.  Living next to your rental unit could also help you gain experience and knowledge as a landlord. The garage could be rented out to increase your cash flow and the overall value of the property might increase by adding a garage.

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