Investors familiar with Hoboken, NJ - Is this worth pursuing?

Investors familiar with Hoboken, NJ - Is this worth pursuing?

Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 26 votes

My mother-in-law owns her single family home outright in Hoboken NJ, bought it 30-something years ago when it was a slump town. Obviously it's worth a lot more these days, but she's not willing to let go of the house. Those who are familiar with the area know that single-family houses with a driveway are hard to come by in Hoboken. This house hasn't really been taken care of, especially since both her sons moved out and her husband passed away. She now wants to do a complete gut job or even tear it down and rebuild it into a 3-family house. She plans to rent out 2 units while living in 1.

She consulted some local architects and they came back with a ballpark of 1 - 1.5mill to complete the job with a 2-year timeline. That seems really high and I'm not sure if the numbers make sense to me. Upon rehabbing, she would probably get perhaps $2700 - $3500 rent per unit. Currently her property taxes are at $14k/year, it's going to be a heck lot more once she converts it into a 3-family residence.

I guess my question is, for those who have done similar projects, can you share your experiences/costs of completion? As a little retired lady, how would she be able to secure a loan to do this? She's saved up a good chunk for retirement + pension and wants to use it against her rehab project, but I don't think it's a good idea and I can't talk her out of it (neither can her sons).

Any advice? Thanks!!

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Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
7y

@Darren Sager is an investor and agent in North Jersey. He might have some incite as to whether it would be worth it or not to do this.

Conversely a strategy that might yield better results is doing a cash out refinance on the property and using the funds to buy some rental units.

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  • Member since 2018 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    7y
    You have to explain to the architects that this project is to serve as a retirement plan for your mother in law and the main goal is it should bring profit, they may change plans and build very simple
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    7y

    @Darren Sager is an investor and agent in North Jersey. He might have some incite as to whether it would be worth it or not to do this.

    Conversely a strategy that might yield better results is doing a cash out refinance on the property and using the funds to buy some rental units.

  • Rental Property Investor · Red Bank, NJ · Member since 2015 · 81 posts · 18 votes
    7y

    Hi @Pearly Tan I've been working in Hoboken for about 15 years and its' a very tricky town to do business in. I hope your MIL sees your side of the argument because I've seen things go very wrong as 2 year timelines tend to double,,, especially if you make a mistake with drawings/permitting.

    Another issue is there is a surplus of rental supply currently and rents have been steadily coming down in JC/Hoboken last 6 months or so.

    Best of luck! 

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 26 votes
    7y

    Thank you @Russell Brazil, hopefully @Darren Sager can provide his 2cents as well.

    @Mark Gee - I've noticed the reduction in rent prices at Hoboken as well, and it seems like the rentals do not get snatched up as quickly as they used to anymore.

  • Professional · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2014 · 154 posts · 87 votes
    7y

    @Pearly Tan I've been an investor in Hoboken since 2000. A few of the brokers in Hoboken do high-end conversion projects like the one you are describing. Much of Hoboken has recently been up-zoned so tear-down work has become somewhat more common. However, generally, the newly developed product is condo and sold at project completion. I would second @Mark Gee , however. Hoboken is a tough place to work. Some background reading concerning the efforts of the NJ State AG and Department of Justice for the district of New Jersey in Hoboken would be advisable. Or read about Peter Cammarano, the former mayor. It is not a city in which undertaking a first project at scale would be advisable. Your MIL might consider a tightly structured Joint Venture with a local developer as an alternative. One where she provides the existing asset and the developer pays for and delivers the product for a stated profit split. In that case your MIL's savings would be needed for legal advice, progress inspections, and other vendor resources. Good luck.  

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2018 · 70 posts · 26 votes
    7y

    Thank you @Jonathan Cope for your input, I'll pass your feedback along. I hope she listens!

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