1st Rehab: Water Damage + Mold?

1st Rehab: Water Damage + Mold?

Scituate, MA · Member since 2014 · 44 posts · 13 votes

Hi everybody,

I finally viewed a property I've had my eye on for a while now here in Massachusetts and I am intrigued by it because of it's location in a coastal town with good resale values (I have a post going about the same property with a vacant adjacent lot).  Anyways, the house has a great layout, good stats in terms of SF/Beds/Baths, but the entire kitchen and adjacent rooms (or portions of them at least) would need to be gutted due to water damage and mold issues.  The house has been winterized, but before it was, a pipe (or 10) must have burst somewhere and there must have been water leaking happening for a long time before anybody saw it.  The sellers did a quick clean up job (debris removal, sweep floors) it looks like, but portions of the ceiling had fallen off, hardwood floors are swollen, baseboard moldings swollen off of walls, etc.  Anyways, the kitchen would have needed to be redone anyways in this house (early 1990's style) so the location of the majority of the damage isn't necessarily bad.  There are visible mold spots on a lot of the directly affected areas.  In the basement, there are a few drywalled partition walls and those are covered in mold too.

 I've contacted a few local mold remediation places to go out to the house and give me an estimate of demo/remediation costs so I have a ballpark idea of what it'd be so I can factor into my repair costs/70% rule.

Questions:

Does anybody have experience with this, cautionary tales, etc.?  Maybe this is naive of me, but I'm looking at using the mold remediation to my advantage because it justifies a lower offer for me for the property.  The house needs cosmetic updates anyways, so I would have already gotten a GC involved for those, and assume they will add the cost of "putting the place back together" into their estimate.  Am I taking the right course of action here?  Should I take the remediation estimates I get at face value, or should I bump them up by 25-50% or something?  In general - is this project too complex for a first time rehab property?

I greatly appreciate your feedback!

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Realtor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2014 · 935 posts · 467 votes
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@Steven Tierney  why wait for their call. Go ahead and make Your offer again

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  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    11y

    @Steven Tierney  generally you should always bump up rehab estimates regardless, especially if it's your first project.  As you live and learn you get more experienced and have to bump up the estimate by less.  Have you read J Scott's rehabbing book?

  • Scituate, MA · Member since 2014 · 44 posts · 13 votes
    11y

    Hi @Dawn Anastasi I'm almost all the way through it.  I bought his 2 books 1 day after joining bigger pockets!

  • Mindy JensenPro Member
    BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    11y

    My office brought in a mold specialist to talk to us during a monthly meeting. The stories she told would curl your toes. Just because you can see a little mold on the front, doesn't mean there isn't massive mold growing behind the wall, where you cannot see. 

    Mold grows where it has food. Drywall, wood, wallpaper paste are all food for mold. If the water was flowing for a while, you could have significant mold damage where you would not expect it to be. 

    I walked away from a house I was really interested in, because the second showing revealed a leak I should have noticed the first time, along with mold you could just tell was a huge mess. It could work as a first-time flip, but be very careful with mold. Good luck!

  • Involved In Real Estate · Brookline, MA · Member since 2015 · 75 posts · 11 votes
    11y

    @Mindy is right, mold hides.

    Add a home inspection contingency to your offer. Get a home inspector that will detail the hell out of this issue.

    Now you know something: they are definitely selling.

  • Rental Property Investor · East Meadow New york · Member since 2014 · 232 posts · 95 votes
    11y

    Great advice @Mindy Jensen and @Donald Morrison mold is a very tricky fix. As a liscensed home inspector I can tell you that who ever you hire to do your home inspection will not be able to find any latent defects, meaning if there is mold behind the drywall, wall paper, moldings etc, they will not (in most cases) damage the existing structure in order to find any signs of mold. If there is anything on the surface that "appears" to be mold, they will recommend a sample be taken and sent to a lab for testing.

  • Scituate, MA · Member since 2014 · 44 posts · 13 votes
    11y

    Update:  I've now been in the property twice, plus I've had 2 certified mold contractors and 2 GC's in to look at the place to give some rough estimates for the work to be done.  I will be putting an offer in on this property tomorrow...

  • Contractor · Rockville, MD · Member since 2014 · 423 posts · 135 votes
    11y

    You'll need to determine whether the mold remediation proposals your received include ait tests before and after.  I'm not an environmental hygienist so anytime there's a question of mold, I have air tests done to confirm if that's truly the case.  In about 30% of cases, I've found that the spores present aren't even mold but if it's been leaking for a while onto any organic substance, odds are you have it.  Either way, I get tests done before and after (with a clearance letter) and in my area, they run between $500-1000 depending on the number of test being done.

  • Contractor · Rockville, MD · Member since 2014 · 423 posts · 135 votes
    11y

    I actually like mold because I know it scares people away and if you know how to deal with it and major remediation isn't necessary, it's not that big of a deal.

  • Scituate, MA · Member since 2014 · 44 posts · 13 votes
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    @Marc M. Oh yeah, there's definitely mold, a lot of it...  Pretty nasty.  The quotes I've gotten include air tests with lab results on all floors to ensure proper remediation.  It was so bad that the 2nd contractor to come in told me and my RE agent that we should leave the house for a bit as we had been inside the house for nearly an hour with no respirators or anything on...

  • Rental Property Investor · Dunedin, FL · Member since 2015 · 121 posts · 61 votes
    11y

    Hi- what did you end up doing? I just bought a property at auction- my first investment property- and guess what, it has lots of lovely mold. How much did you end up having to spend to fix the mold, or did you walk away from the place?

  • Scituate, MA · Member since 2014 · 44 posts · 13 votes
    11y

    @Waverly Rennie, the house was a complete interior gut job, including all of the wood flooring which was 75% of the house, and needed all new windows too.

    I ended up making an offer on the house that I felt comfortable with, but it was rejected by the seller.  The house has come back on the market multiple times after other potential buyers are apparently doing their due diligence on this issue after getting their offer accepted, and/or they discover traditional financing isn't an option because of the mold.  I learned that this house is the perfect example of making an offer you're comfortable with that allows you to make money on the deal, and if it's not accepted, move on quickly to the next house.  No sense in waiting around.

    The best part is that every time the house comes back on the market the new list price keeps creeping down lower and closer to my original offer!  I wonder if they will eventually give me a call back...

  • Realtor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2014 · 935 posts · 467 votes
    11y

    @Steven Tierney  why wait for their call. Go ahead and make Your offer again

  • Scituate, MA · Member since 2014 · 44 posts · 13 votes
    11y

    Touché @Don Harris.  You're right.

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