Rehabbing & House Flipping
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
![](http://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/assets/forums/sponsors/hospitable-deef083b895516ce26951b0ca48cf8f170861d742d4a4cb6cf5d19396b5eaac6.png)
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
![](http://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/assets/forums/sponsors/equity_trust-2bcce80d03411a9e99a3cbcf4201c034562e18a3fc6eecd3fd22ecd5350c3aa5.avif)
![](http://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/assets/forums/sponsors/equity_1031_exchange-96bbcda3f8ad2d724c0ac759709c7e295979badd52e428240d6eaad5c8eff385.avif)
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback
Updated about 10 years ago on . Most recent reply
![David Robertson's profile image](https://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/no_overlay/uploads/social_user/user_avatar/57782/1663606773-avatar-drobertson.jpg?twic=v1/output=image/crop=991x991@0x0/cover=128x128&v=2)
- Flipper/Rehabber
- Kansas City, MO
- 750
- Votes |
- 734
- Posts
Detailed Scope of Work vs "Turnkey" SOW Language
A recent forum discussion talked about how an investor's scope of work said to include "EVERYTHING" in their proposal to 'gut the property, buy materials and rehab per plan.'
Long story short, the contractor did not have dumpsters and there was some mis-communication and heart burn over additional costs incurred by the investor.
http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/67/topics/1636...
This got me wondering...Can a Scope of Work ever be TOO detailed?
Do you provide a detailed Scope of Work that lists every work item to be included within the contractors proposal?
Or do you use language such as "Turnkey remodel to furnish and install kitchen, bathrooms, etc?
Which Scope of Work do you feel provides the best protection for an investor? A Detailed Scope of Work or a more General "Turnkey" SOW? Maybe a Hybrid?
Does providing a detailed SOW excuse a contractor from bidding items not specifically listed?
...I personally get as detailed as possible...my last house included an 8-page scope of work, but I'm wondering if that was to my detriment?
- David Robertson
![business profile image](https://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/no_overlay/uploads/marketplace/business/profile_image/3897/1731614750-company-avatar.jpg?twic=v1/output=image/contain=65x65)
Most Popular Reply
![Aaron McGinnis's profile image](https://bpimg.biggerpockets.com/no_overlay/uploads/social_user/user_avatar/466/1621345465-avatar-ghhaaron.jpg?twic=v1/output=image/cover=128x128&v=2)
The scope needs to be precise. I dislike the verbiage you're referring to as 'turn-key'...
Good:
* Install new cabinetry per attached layout using XXX manufacturer and YYY finish
* Install grade 2 granite and 11" overhang on bar
* Install backsplash, XXX tile, YYY pattern
* Install grade 2 oak flooring, stain and 2 coats polyurethane, standard non-mix minwax color
* Remove wall between kitchen and dining room PER ATTACHED FLOOR PLAN
* Install new Frigidaire Gallery Stainless Steel appliance package (Range, Microwave, Dishwasher, Refrigerator)
* Install XXX Kitchen Faucet
* Install 3/4HP Badger Disposal
* Rough and Trim out for electrical and plumbing to code PER ATTACHED PLAN
* 20 yard dumpster
* Labor for demolition per plan
* Portapotty
Total: $50,000
Bad:
* Renovate kitchen and remove wall between kitchen and dining room as discussed
* Install new appliance package
* Install new fixtures
Total: $50,000
Equally bad -
* Install new cabinetry per attached layout using XXX manufacturer and YYY finish
* Install grade 2 granite and 11" overhang on bar
* Install backsplash, XXX tile, YYY pattern
* Install grade 2 oak flooring, stain and 2 coats polyurethane, standard non-mix minwax color
* Remove wall between kitchen and dining room PER ATTACHED FLOOR PLAN
* Install new Frigidaire Gallery Stainless Steel appliance package (Range, Microwave, Dishwasher, Refrigerator)
* Install XXX Kitchen Faucet
* Install 3/4HP Badger Disposal
* Rough and Trim out for electrical and plumbing to code PER ATTACHED PLAN
* 20 yard dumpster
* Labor for demolition per plan
* Portapotty
* Use 10x 2x4x8, 10lf 12x4 LVL, 1x5lb box framing nails, 15lf 3/4" CPVC pipe, 1 bottle CPVC glue, 4x 45deg CVPC fittings, etc... (Ad nauseum material list)
Total: $50,000
--------------------
So as the members of the class have already figured out... getting overly detailed is bad. The customer doesn't need to know that we're going to use eight 2 by 4s and 15 CPVC fittings.
They DO need to know what's getting framed and where, where the faucet is going and what kind... etc.
In this scope, if we take the floor up or the drywall down and there's a thousand termites... that's a very easy change order to justify and a very easy change order to understand.
What gets missed in too many interactions is believing that a straight binary text list of what's going to happen should constitute an entire scope or contract. In addition to the scope above, we'd typically have a floorplan, renderings, elevations, and a full length contract that specifies what we're responsible for and what the customer is responsible for. (Example: We're responsible for all demolition materials. Customer is responsible for making sure utilities are turned on and that the bill for said utilities gets paid.)
A lot of 'investor friendly' contractors don't want to go to this level of detail (and most investors don't want to pay for the additional design/administrative work) because... it's expensive to generate things like floor plans, elevations, renderings, and a full blown contract.
That's where a lot of the problems come from... not making sure that the relationship is well spelled out between investor and contractor. If things like dumpsters and portapotties (AKA: Site services) aren't well spelled out, who's to say who is responsible for paying for those things? (Although in Georgia the law comes down on the side of the contractor making the property owner pay.)