Sell or rent advice for our properties in San Diego, CA

Sell or rent advice for our properties in San Diego, CA

San Diego, CA · Member since 2018 · 31 posts · 25 votes

Hello! My wife and I have found ourselves in a state of "analysis paralysis" and are in dire need of some "Rent or Sell or Other" help from someone (or someones!) more experienced than us. I am trying to learn more about REI as quickly as possible, but time is conspiring against us since we just bought our forever home in Del Cerro (central San Diego). This means we need to make a relatively quick decision about whether we will rent or sell our current residence. Which then got us thinking about our other rental too... Now months later we've run all sorts of numbers but are no closer to a decision!

In January of 2010 I bought a 2 br / 2 ba 1,000 sq ft condo in Kearny Mesa (central San Diego) for $287,000. In December of 2011, I refinanced to a 15 year mortgage at 3.125% to take advantage of the historical low rates and I could afford the higher monthly payments. I was not really thinking much about it as a future investment at the time, it was just my primary home. I started renting it out (self-managed) in October of 2016 after moving in with my wife.

We just recently renegotiated a higher rent with our tenant for $2,250/mo starting in October which should bring us up to about a break-even. We never considered this a bad thing because we could afford it (and have enough of a safety net to cover a market downturn) and knew that San Diego real estate has an excellent historical track record for appreciating over time. It will be paid off in 8.5 years at which point we assumed it would make the break-even periods worthwhile. Based on comps, we estimate its value at around $460k. We still owe $140k on it which leaves us with about $320k equity.

In April of 2014 my wife bought a 3 br / 2.5 ba 1,500 sq ft townhouse in Santee (east San Diego) for $359,000. In March of 2016, she refinanced to a 20 year mortgage at 3.5% because it was going to be our new primary home and we felt at the time that it made sense to expedite our payments and lock in a lower interest rate. Based on comps, we estimate its value around $465k. We still owe $255k on it which leaves us with about $210k equity. Rent-wise, comps are about $2500/mo, which is just above break-even, but it's almost 18 years before it will be paid off.

From an income tax-perspective, we are in the 24% bracket and both properties at this point mostly offset the principal gains with only ~$250/yr due for our KM condo and ~$100/yr due (estimated) for our Santee condo.

Now that I am really attempting to understand these numbers for the first time, I see that we have a ton of equity that is producing zero cash flow. Is it worth holding on to these properties or should we be taking advantage of the already rather large appreciation and the fact that we could stagger the sales of them as our primary residences and keep the capital gains tax-free? Is there another strategy you could recommend with financing to make them cash flow now without selling?

Thank you very much for your time and any assistance you can offer!

Respectfully,

Steve and Jessica

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San Diego, CA · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 5 votes
8y

Hi Steve,

Unfortunately I don't have a clear answer for you. We are in a similar situation: our primary residence appreciated and we have some good equity. Should we keep it or sell and use the cash in some cash flow generating model?

Is the Santee home where you guys live now? The only thing I can't wrap my head around is we will still have to rent some place to live. And we have kids so our options are limited (in terms of size and location due to schools). Whatever cash we get by selling, we will still have a big cash outflow as our own rent.

San Diego is just too expensive to come up with creative solutions and REI strategies. I'd like to hear what more experienced REI folks say about this.

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  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    Hi Steve,

    Unfortunately I don't have a clear answer for you. We are in a similar situation: our primary residence appreciated and we have some good equity. Should we keep it or sell and use the cash in some cash flow generating model?

    Is the Santee home where you guys live now? The only thing I can't wrap my head around is we will still have to rent some place to live. And we have kids so our options are limited (in terms of size and location due to schools). Whatever cash we get by selling, we will still have a big cash outflow as our own rent.

    San Diego is just too expensive to come up with creative solutions and REI strategies. I'd like to hear what more experienced REI folks say about this.

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2018 · 31 posts · 25 votes
    8y

    Hi @Seda Dogan!  I actually cross-posted to another forum and have been getting a lot of responses over there.  I suggest you check that out and ask your questions in there: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/88/topics/572646-sell-or-rent-advice-for-our-properties-in-san-diego-ca?page=1

    We currently live in the Santee townhome but are moving this Sunday (eek!) to the new house we bought in Del Cerro.  We plan on raising kids and retiring in that house so the natural question became what do we do with our older properties that were bought (and financed) as primary residences and not investment properties?

    One of the strategies that you'll see discussed in the other thread that I linked is a cash out refinance which may be an option for you if you've built up significant equity in the home and want to use it to invest.  I'm sure the smarter and more experienced folks who have been responding in that thread can provide you better advice than I can so hop over there.

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    Thanks @Steve O'Keefe, I am reading the other post and a ton of great advice. I missed that you bought the Del Cerro home, that's a great area to raise a family. LEt's keep in touch, I am new to REI and want to learn more and meet like-minded individuals who esp. understand SD market

  • San Diego, CA · Member since 2018 · 31 posts · 25 votes
    8y

    Absolutely, we love that area.  My sister lives in San Carlos and so that was another area we were looking at.  I'm definitely happy to keep in touch, there is much to learn!

  • Wholesaler, Rehabber and Landlord · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    There are a million different views and opinions. What is most important is that you guys figure out what is best for you, not just for right now, but in the long run.

    You bought in the dip and now we are at the top. That is a great position to be in. Even though there is not any cash flow, rents are almost always going up. Give it a couple of years and I bet you will be cash flowing some. When the mortgage is paid off, that bumps up your cash flow even more. Just imagine when the kids are going to college or grown, you will have 2 properties paid for. No mortgage for you AND probably 4k in income from the rental. Not a bad place to be.

    Buy another property when everyone is selling.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · San Diego, CA · Member since 2014 · 1 post · 0 votes
    8y

    Hi Steve:

    I think it depends on whether you are looking for long term passive income and are ok with being a landlord. Sounds like you have sufficient cashflow/ income to weather an occasional vacancy or maintenance expense. Bear in mind that the current tax laws are subject to change. For the moment you can gain up to $250,000 selling your primary residence and $500,000 as a married couple if it has been your primary residence 2 of the last 5 years. Not sure if you can prove that the two properties you are considering selling were purchased by you and your wife individually and used as your primary residences individually before being married and meet the criteria outlined above. Questions for a tax professional for sure. If so and you do not want to be landlords long term I would consider selling while that tax window is available and the values are high. Full disclosure that I am an agent. That being said home values are approximately 8% higher nationally than at the last peak in 2006 and the SD market has been appreciating at a rapid pace since 2012. Affordability due to prices and rising rates is expected to cause a market cycle probably by 2020 if not sooner. Congratulations on your dilemma. Great decision to be making!

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