Newbie from Australia looking to invest in the US

Newbie from Australia looking to invest in the US

Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 3 votes

I am a university student from Australia who is looking to buy a multifamily property in the Ohio, Pennsylvania, Upstate New York region within the next few months. I originally was going to do a development here in Australia, but a combination of factors have instead lead me to buying a property in the US instead. I am looking to buy and hold cash flowing rental properties.

Before I make an investment I am learning more about the relevant markets. I look forward to hearing from others who invest in these markets and would also love to hear from any of you if you have suggestions or can suggest alternative markets to look into. 

One question I have is how are the cap rates so high in some places in the US? In Australia pretty much the whole country is more like LA, where gross rental yields sit at roughly 4% and property is very expensive, yet some regions of the US seem to have cap rates above 10% and have houses for under $100k. I am aware that growth in these regions is low, or in some cases negative, but still it seems odd.

Thanks guys, I am looking forward to being more involved in the BP community in the future,

Keegan

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Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2020 · 103 posts · 65 votes
5y

@Keegan McGlynn There are good areas in each of those states.  I'll refrain from input on specifics as I haven't been involved in the Northeast in a few years.  When ultimately making your decision, I would recommend staying away from areas that have negative population growth and areas lacking diversity in employment.  I have seen markets not recover from downturns. 

NC is very popular right now.  You can potentially get your cashflow and appreciation. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2020 · 103 posts · 65 votes
    5y

    @Keegan McGlynn Would you mind sharing why you are interested in the areas you mentioned.

  • Member since 2020 · 2 posts · 3 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Maria Bakaj:

    @Keegan McGlynn Would you mind sharing why you are interested in the areas you mentioned.

    A few reasons, firstly I have friends living in Cleveland as well as Pennsylvania, so they would be able to inspect a property in person for me or help out if I really needed someone there in person. Secondly they seem to have fairly high cap rates and a low price, I know that this brings increased risk but if I were to buy several properties at once this should offset at least some of this risk. I don't particularly mind the lack of growth either considering cashflow is my goal.

  • Real Estate Agent · Denver, CO · Member since 2020 · 103 posts · 65 votes
    5y

    @Keegan McGlynn There are good areas in each of those states.  I'll refrain from input on specifics as I haven't been involved in the Northeast in a few years.  When ultimately making your decision, I would recommend staying away from areas that have negative population growth and areas lacking diversity in employment.  I have seen markets not recover from downturns. 

    NC is very popular right now.  You can potentially get your cashflow and appreciation. 

  • Remington LymanBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Keegan McGlynn:

    I am a university student from Australia who is looking to buy a multifamily property in the Ohio, Pennsylvania, Upstate New York region within the next few months. I originally was going to do a development here in Australia, but a combination of factors have instead lead me to buying a property in the US instead. I am looking to buy and hold cash flowing rental properties.

    Before I make an investment I am learning more about the relevant markets. I look forward to hearing from others who invest in these markets and would also love to hear from any of you if you have suggestions or can suggest alternative markets to look into. 

    One question I have is how are the cap rates so high in some places in the US? In Australia pretty much the whole country is more like LA, where gross rental yields sit at roughly 4% and property is very expensive, yet some regions of the US seem to have cap rates above 10% and have houses for under $100k. I am aware that growth in these regions is low, or in some cases negative, but still it seems odd.

    Thanks guys, I am looking forward to being more involved in the BP community in the future,

    Keegan

    Cap rates are that high because the US has created laws and tax programs to promote the commerce of real estate.

    I invest in Columbus, Ohio because of the job and population growth. We are just south of Cleveland.

  • Brandon GoldsmithBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    Just make sure you find a realtor who knows how to work with investors. From their knowledge you should be able to tell if a market matches your goals for REI. Good luck! @Keegan McGlynn

  • Rental Property Investor · Brooke Park Drive · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Upstate NY - hell no - I’m from there, very anti landlord and pro tentant.

    PA - maybe - has decent pockets for investing

    Ohio - that is certainly the best choice 

    Check out the bigger pockets podcast with engelo rumora for a story from an aussie on failing in upstate NY to great success in Ohio

  • Rental Property Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Keegan McGlynn:

    I am a university student from Australia who is looking to buy a multifamily property in the Ohio, Pennsylvania, Upstate New York region within the next few months. I originally was going to do a development here in Australia, but a combination of factors have instead lead me to buying a property in the US instead. I am looking to buy and hold cash flowing rental properties.

    Before I make an investment I am learning more about the relevant markets. I look forward to hearing from others who invest in these markets and would also love to hear from any of you if you have suggestions or can suggest alternative markets to look into. 

    One question I have is how are the cap rates so high in some places in the US? In Australia pretty much the whole country is more like LA, where gross rental yields sit at roughly 4% and property is very expensive, yet some regions of the US seem to have cap rates above 10% and have houses for under $100k. I am aware that growth in these regions is low, or in some cases negative, but still it seems odd.

    Thanks guys, I am looking forward to being more involved in the BP community in the future,

    Keegan

     G'day mate. Other than cap rates, look at market trends, where are people and companies moving to. I live in the midwest here in Columbus Ohio and over the past 5 years I have seen an influx in the amount of business transitioning here. For a number of reasons, affordability, lifestyle, and the beautiful change of seasons. This has allowed our real estate to appreciate like crazy and our rentals have never filled up faster with over qualified tenants.

  • Realtor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2016 · 170 posts · 227 votes
    5y

    Cap rates vary based on many economic factors. I live and work in columbus ohio where job growth is generally strong with a diverse employment base and growing population. This leads to high investor interest and lower cap rates vs Cleveland which is 3 ish hrs north of Columbus. Cleveland has generally declining population growth except for downtown, and a more narrow employment base which leads to higher cap rates. I think you can invest successfully in both areas but i preffer columbus for the apreciation and the ability to still find cashflowing deals

  • Basit SiddiqiBusiness Member
    Accountant · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 8k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    @Keegan McGlynn

    While you have friends who live in the area, you should not expect them to check on the property for you. Treat it like a business and hire professionals to manage it.

  • Property Manager · Williamsport, PA · Member since 2020 · 93 posts · 74 votes
    5y

    Cap rates are indicators of risk, I am in north central PA and we often find investors coming here attracted to our high cap rates but they have the same expectations of risk as you have in a low cap market.  Reasons our cap rates are higher in my market? Housing stock is OLD, low availability of QUALITY services for investors, local economy stuff (dying industries, high taxes, etc.).  My best advice is to base where you invest on where you can get quality advisors who know the area and can work you through those market challenges.  The returns are there, but you have to know the market really well to make them happen. 

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