Expanding my portfolio in the Boston and Providence Areas

Expanding my portfolio in the Boston and Providence Areas

Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 1 vote

Hey Folks,

First post on BP here. Probably a bit longer than usual...but I am an avid (not necessarily good) writer. I don't know exactly where I am going with this or what I expect to get from it, but let's see where we end up. I'm ultimately just looking for some sort of advice; or maybe even just a nod of approval that I am on the "right" track. I am looking to invest in the Boston and Providence greater metro areas and welcome any suggestions or comments. Also, if you think I may be able to help you in any way after reading my post, please reach out! I love to help and would love any opportunities to work on a deal!

First a little about myself. My name is Eric, and I am 32. I consider myself a bit more than a rookie when it comes to RE investing, but nothing more than a novice. I have my M.S. in Civil Engineering and work as a construction engineer. I spent 7 years working for the US Army Corps of Engineers, overseeing large scale military and civil works projects; and I currently work with the VA overseeing facilities operations and construction. I also had the opportunity to do a year overseas in Afghanistan as Deputy Director for DPW at Bagram. I have always had a passion with building construction and have tailored my career around it. I also have my RE license in Massachusetts (although I have let it expire within the last year and am currently taking my 12 CEUs). I was only active for about 3 months until it conflicted with my 9 to 5. I was also Title V inspector certified for some time but that has also lapsed. But enough about me, lets get to real estate talk.

I purchased my first home back in 2013 when I was just two years out of college. At that point in time I had just quite my job as a CAD drafter and only been with the Army Corps for about 4 months. I had almost no construction experience when I bought the house. When I started my home search, I wasn’t really sure what I was looking for. What I did know was that I wanted something that would make me some sort of profit down the road. So, I purchased my first home through foreclosure with the hopes of selling it short term (2-3 years). I put my entire life savings, about $15K at that point, into down-payment and closing costs with an added $2500 gift from my parents to cover the remainder of closing. It took forever and a day for the deal to close…and I was broke...but we got it done! For the next several years…I house hacked the hell out of that place. Friends…and friends of friends constantly moving in and out. It caused a lot of headaches and lost friendships…but it helped keep my expenses down so I could put all of my then meager salary into updating the property. I was generally able to cover 30-60% of my mortgage expenses at any given time with the people I had living with me.

Over then next 5 years or so, I poured a tremendous amount of sweat equity into the place. As my professional career progressed from a CAD drafter to a project engineer overseeing major construction projects, so did my willingness to take on more challenging projects. I’ll be honest…I barely knew the difference between a Philips and flathead when I started. Eventually though, through hard work and a few smashed thumbs, I was able to take an outdated house and turn it into a home almost entirely on my own. Sure, it took a long time, and probably too much money…but I learned a ton and was very proud of it. 

 All said and done I sold the home after 6 years and walked away with nearly $150k. Sure…if you take the time value of money and subtract all the expenses, mortgage etc…I may have only come out slightly ahead, if not in the red. But during that time in my life I had a propensity to spend. There is no way I would have ever saved or invested $150K in that time frame had I not invested in the property instead. 

Since then I have taken the money and invested in my first multi-family property where I currently reside as an owner occupier with my now wife. When we got it, I had no idea about any of the rules of thumb I know about now (70/50/2% etc), but I knew I wanted a place where my mortgage expenses would be completely covered by rental income.  Keep in mind I needed to convince her on moving from a newly updated ranch in a nice suburban town to a lower income area apartment building in the city. Given my location...it needed to be in one of these places so I could actually afford something and have money left over.  By the grace of god, I was able to find an immaculate 4 family that has been owner occupied since the 1960's. It was in great condition and priced accordingly. Luckily though, I was able to convince her to put an offer on it, and the place would still make us money and not break the bank. There were a lot of offers, but most were from bigger investors and all cash. I hated the idea...but my wife wrote the owners a letter. I  don't like to admit it, but I really think she struck a chord with the owners in that letter because my wife let them know we were getting married during the closing process and that we would continue to owner occupy the property and take great care of it. We shouldn’t have gotten the deal…but we did. Anyways, I will be honest… the rental income from the house itself did not justify the purchase price of $350K…but what sold it for me was the 13-car garage that came with the property I am also currently renting out as individual units. So while I went into this thing with only minor due-diligence on the numbers side of the house…I am actually just shy of the 2% rule while owner occupying the place and I still have room to grow. My garages are currently renting at about 80% of market rate!

Now that I am cash-flowing on my rental property and still have about $50K in the bank (and growing) I am looking to start expanding my investment portfolio. And this is where I get to a crossroads. I have set a long-term goal of 5 residential rental properties in 3-5 years…I just don't know which way I should go to get there. I am thinking I could find a new rental under the $250K range in the Boston or Providence Metropolitan areas right now (as long as the deal is right of course). At that price, it would allow me to make a 20% down payment on the property…but would liquidate almost all of my cash assets (I do have access to additional credit lines, home equity loans, IRA funds etc). I think it would put me in a bind for an extended period until I can save more or raise additional capital for #3 (which I have not done at all as an investor). On the other hand, I was thinking about possibly doing one or two short term flips and using the profit generated from that to invest in my next multi-family. While it would still liquidate my cash assets (and potentially require me to take out lines of credit/tap into my IRA) it would be for a shorter term with greater immediate return. I would then have the profit to invest in one property, and (hopefully) my initial investment of 50K back that could then be used for another.

What are some of your thoughts? If you were in my position what would you do? Are both viable options given current market climate and locations of interest? To be more specific I set up Attleboro, MA as my central location with a 45 minute-hour radius. What are some of the cons of each of these approaches that I may not be considering? I have target markets for rental properties, but what are some current hot markets for flips in the Massachusetts & Rhode Island Area? Also, would I even need to invest my entire cash savings to acquire a new property on my own given my current circumstances…whether it be a SFR flip or a Residential Multi… or am I over leveraging myself with 20% down? Would it be best to start looking for partners? Are there good enough deals in the area to make hard-money lending a viable option for me if I really think I can turn a project in 6 months? I know it's a lot of questions that are all over the place, but any thoughts or comments are greatly appreciated.

If you stuck through to the end, I really appreciate your time, and I look forward to meeting and networking with many of you in the near future!  I am by no means an expert in real estate, but I do have my feet wet. And most importantly I am a work horse and am willing to do whatever it takes to learn the business!

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Buy and Hold Investor · Cranston, RI · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
6y

@Eric Crockett wow, that’s quite a story, thank you for sharing all that.

I definitely think that if your price point is 250K you’d be looking more south toward RI than north toward Boston.

I would be reluctant to recommend short term flips in this phase of the market if you’re still just starting out (even with your one success under your belt - congratulations btw :).

If it were me in your position I’d continue with rental real estate, maybe with a slight value add component (i.e., needs a little work but not a ton).

It wasn't clear if you were asking if you should buy all cash or not, but with rates at new historic lows I'd use mortgage leverage for sure, though again taking the market phase into account, maybe not aggressively (e.g., 97% LTV) unless you're overall financial picture can support it.

I’d definitely say do traditional bank financing with low fixed rates if you can (again, this points to more long term holds than flips), instead of hard or high-rate private money.

And as far as partners, the old saying is that a partnership is like a marriage - a lot easier to get into than get out of. I have some partnerships and have been lucky that they’ve gone well but I choosing carefully and taking things slowly, doing research on your potential partners, etc. You’d be wedding your financial future to any potential partner so do so carefully, if at all.

I hope that covers your main questions and I’m always happy to help if you have others.

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  • Buy and Hold Investor · Cranston, RI · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Eric Crockett wow, that’s quite a story, thank you for sharing all that.

    I definitely think that if your price point is 250K you’d be looking more south toward RI than north toward Boston.

    I would be reluctant to recommend short term flips in this phase of the market if you’re still just starting out (even with your one success under your belt - congratulations btw :).

    If it were me in your position I’d continue with rental real estate, maybe with a slight value add component (i.e., needs a little work but not a ton).

    It wasn't clear if you were asking if you should buy all cash or not, but with rates at new historic lows I'd use mortgage leverage for sure, though again taking the market phase into account, maybe not aggressively (e.g., 97% LTV) unless you're overall financial picture can support it.

    I’d definitely say do traditional bank financing with low fixed rates if you can (again, this points to more long term holds than flips), instead of hard or high-rate private money.

    And as far as partners, the old saying is that a partnership is like a marriage - a lot easier to get into than get out of. I have some partnerships and have been lucky that they’ve gone well but I choosing carefully and taking things slowly, doing research on your potential partners, etc. You’d be wedding your financial future to any potential partner so do so carefully, if at all.

    I hope that covers your main questions and I’m always happy to help if you have others.

  • Tinton Falls, NJ · Member since 2020 · 108 posts · 85 votes
    6y

    If you're looking to grow quickly and aggressively the key is going to be how you leverage the $50,000. There are a few options. You can put it into a value add property, stabilize it then refinance hopefully getting back all of your down payment back. People refer to this as the BRRR method.

    A second option you'd have is leveraging some of your money with other people's money. I am a part owner in several rental properties and haven't put a penny of my own money into them. What I do is find a good deal, typically a big value add. Then use other people's money for the down payment. You give up equity of course, but now your nest egg is still at $50,000. It's a matter of how many investors and how many good deals you can find, rather than how far you can stretch the $50,000. As you build a track record, more and more people will want to invest. At my current point there are way more people trying to invest than I have deals for. It isn't what I do full time so I just don't have the ability to keep up. 

    I'd recommend starting out with the BRRR method for now though. Find a place that needs some simple renovating offered at a discount. I'd use hard money to get in there quick, get the work done, then get the tenant in.

  • Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    Thanks @Anthony Thompson! 

    I appreciate the honest advice. Just curious, what is it about this phase of the market that would turn you off to the idea of a flip? Is it the overall state of the real-estate market, or are there certain indicators you have seen locally that may make it less favorable for one reason or another (decline in sales...uptick in available properties etc)? Or is it just a tough market to compete in with the competition right now? Also I always see your posts on here. You seem like a great resource for the greater providence area and I may be reaching out to you more in the future! 

    With what you have said in mind, it sounds like it would be feasible to get another loan on an income/rental property from a traditional lender with as little as 3% down. This holds true even when I already have an FHA on my current owner occupy? I know I should really talk to some lenders ...my 250K price point was really just going on the premise that most banks would be looking for 20% down on a 2nd....3rd...4th mortgage etc. Not the case, huh? With the cash I have on hand that works out to the $250K price point. From a cash flow standpoint though, I certainly think I have the ability to take on something with a bigger mortgage than that price point (if it makes sense). Right now I have a debt coverage ratio of between 1.3-1.4 with my current property, and I make a relatively modest salary. No debt aside from my mortgage and a near 800 credit score. I know that generally, the more units, the more cash flow. Am i thinking to small?

    @Anthony Thompson

  • Member since 2020 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Kyle Altenau Thanks for the advise. It sounds like you have an approach that is in line with @Anthony Thompson; with a specific method of execution in mind. I am not entirely familiar with the BRRR Method. I have some homework to do tonight. I assume you have used this method with relative success. I may reach out once I do a a little bit of investigating to pick your brain!

  • Tinton Falls, NJ · Member since 2020 · 108 posts · 85 votes
    6y

    @Eric Crockett feel free to reach out anytime. 

  • Buy and Hold Investor · Cranston, RI · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Eric Crockett it's just the phase of the market in general. The proportion of deals I'm hearing about where the price paid doesn't seem justified by the rents concerns me and reminds me of 2006. That gets to the overall competition you mentioned (prices getting bid up, especially on MLS rehabs.)

    I'm not necessarily anti-flip but for a flip the emphasis (for me) is being able to get in and get out quickly. You want to minimize the chance of being without a chair if the music stops (and having to chase the market down to sell).

    If you don't have a lot of experience rehabbing, which it didn't sound like you do, then I'd say it's safer to stick to a smaller rehab. (Obviously if you do have more experience and are confident you can get in and out quickly on a medium size rehab then that's great.)

    And you'll always do better and be able to pay a little more if you're buying as a value-add long-term hold than a short-term flip. Since that matches the model on the deal you already did successfully, I thought it might be better to aim in that direction again.

    Make sure to run the numbers on any long term holds and particularly pay attention to debt service coverage ratio (DSCR) which is the yearly net income from the property divided by the yearly mortgage payments. You'll end up with a number like 1.1 or 1.2 which is a fancy way of saying the net income is 10% or 20% over the mortgage payment and you have that much "buffer" before you can't pay the mortgage without dumping in outside money. Most lenders will want to see 1.2 or higher.

    I view the debt service coverage ratio as a measure of risk, and at this stage of the market am personally a little more focused on that than cash-on-cash return or some other measure of return (IRR, cap rate, etc.).

    I guess that's a long way of saying, even though you can do more deals with a lower down payment (higher LTV), make sure you don't over-leverage and that you're OK with those fixed mortgage payments, even if rents were to go down. It's been a long time that rents have been rising so I think the prospects of rents falling is a foreign concept, but just like prices, rents go up, and eventually they go down, so you don't want to be in a tough position with a high mortgage payment if that happens.

    This is all just my personal experience and opinions of course, and I could well be too conservative in all of this, but nonetheless that's my current thinking on the subject (and thanks for the compliment about being a good resource, I'll look forward to your reaching out again in the future :)

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