Fledgling Investor in the Dallas/Fort Worth Area

Fledgling Investor in the Dallas/Fort Worth Area

Member since 2019 · 7 posts · 5 votes

Hello BP!

I'm Jaron.  I'm currently saving money living at home with my parents, and I commute about an hour everyday to the Fort Worth area where I work as a Mechanical Engineer.  My journey in real estate investing started this year. 

(tl;dr at the end)

Long,boring, poorly written story (read if you want):

Living below my means has been a value that has been instilled in me from a young age, and in practicing this I've aggressively done what any money conscious college graduate with a job should do: pay off my student loans, and contribute to my Roth IRA. There were some obstacles, but through hard work I paid off over $75,000 in student debt in less than 5 years. All of a sudden I had more than half my income back. I was finally what people screamed about on a certain radio show that I've heard riding along in the car since I was in middle school. I was debt free, but thanks to the lessons learned from the hurdles I encountered getting to this point I understood that I still wasn't truly "free."

I was still shackled to a nonsensical and ephemeral job market with "entry level" positions requiring 5 years of experience and companies that fell apart either by internal politics or by the turn of the economy. While I currently have a job I like with meaningful work, I still wonder about how long it will really last and ultimately how long can I last? Outside of contributing to a Roth IRA, I didn't know the "what" and "where" of investing, so I talked to friends and family. I talked to my dad about index funds, commodities, and then he suggested single family rental homes. I somewhat understood index funds and commodities, but knew nothing about real estate. To expand on what I knew I reached out to financial advisers, among them some of the vaunted smartvestor pros from that same radio show I've heard all my life. While some gave objective and practical opinions, the impression I was given was that they were all trying to take advantage of me and push sales. They also seemed to change the subject when I asked about real estate. So to sate my curiosity, I scoured the internet.

Many questions posed throughout months of soul searching led me to asking this question: "If debt is so bad, why do the richest countries in the world have so much of it?"  Just like my dad did months ago, the dads had the answer.  Rich Dad Poor Dad answered my questions and turned everything I thought I knew about personal finance on its head.  "The rich leverage debt" and "assets put money into my pocket and liabilities take money out" are among the profound lessons I learned.  I wanted everlasting financial freedom and through youtube and other podcasts like the Graham Stephan Show and the Millennial Real Estate Investor Show, I eventually found my way here.  I read through the Ultimate Beginner's Guide and have transformed my commutes into learning opportunities through the podcast.  So begins my journey of the "what" and "where."

What and where:

From what I've learned so far and in considering a house a "liability" I find house hacking to be an elegant way to offset the liability of home ownership. While I may not have a fully fleshed out plan, I'm hoping that through networking with the community here my plan have a more concrete form.  My current goal is to save enough to make conservative investment on a multi-family property closer to work, preferably in at least class B neighborhood, and live there for free.  Right now I'm defining "conservative investment" as being a 20% down payment, however current prices of those houses seem to indicate that my savings may not be adequate and along with my general lack of knowledge/experience it may be more feasible for me to partner with someone more familiar with the locations and real estate in general.  I currently have a feed from an agent that I casually browse for the Euless, Hurst, Bedford, and North Richland Hills areas.

Thinking in terms of implementing the BRRRR method is it be reasonable to seek a partnership with a flipper to get at the ground level of a deal? I'm interested in creating an SLLC to manage my investments. Will it be advantageous to also form an SLLC for this first deal? When do I need to get a real estate attorney involved?

For stretch goals, I told one of those financial advisers that I wanted to be able to retire by 40.  They told me it was overly ambitious and unattainable.  After being able to work without needing to work (and proving them wrong) I think I'm interested in using some of the cash flow to incubate businesses.

tl;dr:  

A wise podcast once taught me that the postscript is the most read part of a letter.
I'm a newbie real estate investor interested in house hacking with the BRRRR method, and I wanted to introduce myself to the community and network with potential partners in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. While the above may not properly address everything I hope that this post will help generate that discussion.

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Brian SimpsonPro Member
Grandview, TX · Member since 2017 · 143 posts · 79 votes
6y

Welcome to BP. I think you will find it easier to establish the first property in your name especially if you plant to live there and hack it. There would be a number of advantages and moving it to an LLC later is not to hard and something you will want to learn how to do especially after you have a couple of properties, I would additionally suggest a series LLC if you plan to grow in multiple areas and with multiple properties.

Goodluck and say hi if you see me around. Let me know if I can help.

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  • Specialist · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2019 · 587 posts · 269 votes
    6y

    Hello, @Jaron Gin. You’ve taken a great first step in real estate investment. I wish you all the best. You are not alone in your real estate ambition

  • Rental Property Investor · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2019 · 34 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    Hey Jaron, first off welcome to BP, your story seems awfully similar to mine and I can seriously respect you for the mindset change you have made. I actually work in the financial services industry and was told the same thing that retiring early is just not feasible, which is something I will prove them wrong on as well. I am also relatively new to real estate investing and I am in the research/networking stage of figuring it all out. 

    Now when it comes to an LLC I dont think there is anything wrong with that on your first property I know there are some caveats with having an LLC and getting conventional loans that you would want to probably research before making your decision.

    Also I would love to connect, there is a couple of meet ups next week in the Grapevine area that if you are interested I am more than happy to send you the information. 

  • Brian SimpsonPro Member
    Grandview, TX · Member since 2017 · 143 posts · 79 votes
    6y

    Welcome to BP. I think you will find it easier to establish the first property in your name especially if you plant to live there and hack it. There would be a number of advantages and moving it to an LLC later is not to hard and something you will want to learn how to do especially after you have a couple of properties, I would additionally suggest a series LLC if you plan to grow in multiple areas and with multiple properties.

    Goodluck and say hi if you see me around. Let me know if I can help.

  • Member since 2019 · 7 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @Amy Aziz Thanks!  Hopefully I can turn those ambitions of mine into reality.  I wish you the best in your endeavors as well.

    @Cody Brookes Thanks for the welcome! I think it's great to hear from someone with whom I can relate to in a similar narrative, and if we're both in the DFW area I have a feeling that our stories may even converge.  I may have an opportunity to connect next week and would love to hear more it!

    @Brian Simpson Thanks for the welcome! I actually mentioned thoughts of creating an "SLLC" in my original post. Is this an incorrect abbreviation for a Series LLC? It's my initial thoughts that creating a business structure would add a certain degree of complexity to the investment in general and the costs may outweigh the benefits for a first investment. I'm not entirely familiar with the advantages of starting off with a business structure and will do some more research on that, but I would be interested to hear about some of your thought and experiences with a Series LLC. I understand that the business structure is relatively new in Texas and legal matters for such an entity may not be fully defined?

  • Brian SimpsonPro Member
    Grandview, TX · Member since 2017 · 143 posts · 79 votes
    6y

    For our set organization we set up a series to hold ownership and a seperate LLC for operating. The Operating LLC is used to purchase and rehab all properties Before renting transfer them they ownership is transferred to the series. Keep in mind why you have the LLC is in the abbreviation "limit liability". The operating companies exposure is different from the others and so we seperate them. Finally it was important for us anyway to identify what happens to organizational ownership if something should happen to one of us so the LLCs are tightly governed by our Estate Plan.

  • Brian SimpsonPro Member
    Grandview, TX · Member since 2017 · 143 posts · 79 votes
    6y

    For our set organization we set up a series to hold ownership and a seperate LLC for operating. The Operating LLC is used to purchase and rehab all properties Before renting transfer them they ownership is transferred to the series. Keep in mind why you have the LLC is in the abbreviation "limit liability". The operating companies exposure is different from the others and so we seperate them. Finally it was important for us anyway to identify what happens to organizational ownership if something should happen to one of us so the LLCs are tightly governed by our Estate Plan.

  • Brian SimpsonPro Member
    Grandview, TX · Member since 2017 · 143 posts · 79 votes
    6y

    Sorry about all the typos😐

  • Member since 2019 · 7 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @Brian Simpson Thanks for the reply. When you mention your "Operating LLC" are you referring to the master of the series or an entirely separate entity? From what I understand, it sounds like your organization handles the assets with two separate entities.

  • Brian SimpsonPro Member
    Grandview, TX · Member since 2017 · 143 posts · 79 votes
    6y

    Yes seperate entities, and seperate ownership of those entities. The operating LLC is the public face of the organization and it owns nothing at the end of the day.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 31k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jaron Gin:

    Hello BP!

    I'm Jaron.  I'm currently saving money living at home with my parents, and I commute about an hour everyday to the Fort Worth area where I work as a Mechanical Engineer.  My journey in real estate investing started this year. 

    (tl;dr at the end)

    Long,boring, poorly written story (read if you want):

    Living below my means has been a value that has been instilled in me from a young age, and in practicing this I've aggressively done what any money conscious college graduate with a job should do: pay off my student loans, and contribute to my Roth IRA. There were some obstacles, but through hard work I paid off over $75,000 in student debt in less than 5 years. All of a sudden I had more than half my income back. I was finally what people screamed about on a certain radio show that I've heard riding along in the car since I was in middle school. I was debt free, but thanks to the lessons learned from the hurdles I encountered getting to this point I understood that I still wasn't truly "free."

    I was still shackled to a nonsensical and ephemeral job market with "entry level" positions requiring 5 years of experience and companies that fell apart either by internal politics or by the turn of the economy. While I currently have a job I like with meaningful work, I still wonder about how long it will really last and ultimately how long can I last? Outside of contributing to a Roth IRA, I didn't know the "what" and "where" of investing, so I talked to friends and family. I talked to my dad about index funds, commodities, and then he suggested single family rental homes. I somewhat understood index funds and commodities, but knew nothing about real estate. To expand on what I knew I reached out to financial advisers, among them some of the vaunted smartvestor pros from that same radio show I've heard all my life. While some gave objective and practical opinions, the impression I was given was that they were all trying to take advantage of me and push sales. They also seemed to change the subject when I asked about real estate. So to sate my curiosity, I scoured the internet.

    Many questions posed throughout months of soul searching led me to asking this question: "If debt is so bad, why do the richest countries in the world have so much of it?"  Just like my dad did months ago, the dads had the answer.  Rich Dad Poor Dad answered my questions and turned everything I thought I knew about personal finance on its head.  "The rich leverage debt" and "assets put money into my pocket and liabilities take money out" are among the profound lessons I learned.  I wanted everlasting financial freedom and through youtube and other podcasts like the Graham Stephan Show and the Millennial Real Estate Investor Show, I eventually found my way here.  I read through the Ultimate Beginner's Guide and have transformed my commutes into learning opportunities through the podcast.  So begins my journey of the "what" and "where."

    What and where:

    From what I've learned so far and in considering a house a "liability" I find house hacking to be an elegant way to offset the liability of home ownership. While I may not have a fully fleshed out plan, I'm hoping that through networking with the community here my plan have a more concrete form.  My current goal is to save enough to make conservative investment on a multi-family property closer to work, preferably in at least class B neighborhood, and live there for free.  Right now I'm defining "conservative investment" as being a 20% down payment, however current prices of those houses seem to indicate that my savings may not be adequate and along with my general lack of knowledge/experience it may be more feasible for me to partner with someone more familiar with the locations and real estate in general.  I currently have a feed from an agent that I casually browse for the Euless, Hurst, Bedford, and North Richland Hills areas.

    Thinking in terms of implementing the BRRRR method is it be reasonable to seek a partnership with a flipper to get at the ground level of a deal? I'm interested in creating an SLLC to manage my investments. Will it be advantageous to also form an SLLC for this first deal? When do I need to get a real estate attorney involved?

    For stretch goals, I told one of those financial advisers that I wanted to be able to retire by 40.  They told me it was overly ambitious and unattainable.  After being able to work without needing to work (and proving them wrong) I think I'm interested in using some of the cash flow to incubate businesses.

    tl;dr:  

    A wise podcast once taught me that the postscript is the most read part of a letter.
    I'm a newbie real estate investor interested in house hacking with the BRRRR method, and I wanted to introduce myself to the community and network with potential partners in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. While the above may not properly address everything I hope that this post will help generate that discussion.

     Welcome to the site Jaron.

  • Kyle MccawBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Keller, TX · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Jaron Gin congrats on all that you have done to this point. Yes you can retire early with real estate. Just stay focused on your goals. Your plan will change over time after you have done your first few deals. 

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  • Specialist · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2019 · 587 posts · 269 votes
    6y

    My Pleasure! 

  • Member since 2019 · 7 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @James Wise Thank you!  I haven't quite made it to show #127 yet, but I hope that I'll have the opportunity to hear alot more from experienced folks such as yourself.

    @Kyle Mccaw Thanks!  I think that as long as I make steady educated steps those goals will become reality.

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Jaron Gin if you are new to investing there are some really good real estate networking groups in our area.  Here's the list I would recommend:

    Real Estate Groups

    Several of these will have similar names but they are different. And these are the groups that I feel comfortable recommending. Several groups in DFW will try very hard to sell you things if you attend. Some are like $20,000. These are not that.

    DFW REI Club – – meet about 50 times per year. Lots of different topics and a very friendly group.

    DFW Mid Cities REIA - - meets each month and is completely free. Usually free food and free drinks.

    DFW REI Network Investing Meetup - - Started in Bigger Pockets this group meets once per month. Just straight information and super friendly atmosphere.

    AREA Real Estate Investing Group – https://www.meetup.com/realestate-445/ - Meets once per month and is usually well attended

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