New (would be) Investor in Texas and Louisiana

New (would be) Investor in Texas and Louisiana

Ft Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 2 votes

Hello all.  I apologize in advance for the long intro post and hope you will read through and provide some wisdom.  

My name is Armando Pastrana and I am determined to start actively investing in real estate, but I am in most ways completely new to it.  I am by profession an intellectual property lawyer and I have been living in Sweden, London and in the US (long story, but lots of commuting involved).  I do have some accidental experience already in that, having lived in lots of places, I have bought homes in some of those places and have kept them as rentals.  That said, after spending a few days on the forums here on BiggerPockets I have gone back and analyzed those properties and I don't love what I discovered!  Additionally, the properties are all over (two-flat in a suburb of Chicago, a duplex in Austin, TX, a single family home in Ruston, LA and another single family outside of New Orleans.  All rented except the one in New Orleans that I use as a second home and place for my parents when they are in the US.

My job in Europe has now ended and I am in a state of transition--don't really want to return to the corporate world, but think I may have to.  I would really love to have the opinions and advice of those on BiggerPockets that may have faced similar issues (or just those brighter than me of which I think there are many here).  Here's my situation.

I just turned 50, have had high paying jobs and a spouse with also a very good job. However, have not saved as much as I would want to, though I do have some savings. As I mentioned, I want to get out of the corporate world and would ideally like to be able to do REI full-time using it both for income and long term financial security/investment. I have about 350K in cash and about 900K in retirement funds that I could access, I think tax and penalty free by setting up a ROBs (a method I am investigating that via the tax code apparently lets one use retirement savings by setting up a C corp and funding a company by buying stock in it with retirement funds). I also have the aforementioned homes that together have about 250-300K in equity. The rents barely cover mortgage and expenses currently.

So, my ask:  What would you recommend doing with the above (do you even think its doable) to both provide income to live on and long term investment?  BTW, my wife would keep working in this scenario, though her job is outside of the US and so may not be helpful for US financing purposes?  Or, as I seem to be concluding, do you think it wiser to get another job myself and enter more slowly (since I will also have a full-time job)?  In either case, what type of property would you recommend getting started with?  Am I to old for this?!

Thank you all in advance.  I am really happy to have found BiggerPockets and be a part of it going forward and I look forward to interacting with many of you!

Armando

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Multifamily Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 67 posts · 92 votes
9y

Hi @Armando Pastrana Jr welcome. So to answer a few o your questions one being no you’re not too old to do this there a lot of people in this business from as young as 18 up to 70 and beyond so you can definitely operate in this space. Second there are many different ways to get into real estate investing whether it be single family residences, buy and flip homes, buy and hold as rentals, invest in apartments as a passive investor or by being active lead sponsor which you mentioned you’d want to be active I’m focused on the apartment arena so I can give you my two cents on apartment syndication from a passive aspect and more active approach. So if you were to go the apartment route and you wanted to be active and do real estate full time you could be a lead sponsor but there’s a lot that goes into that but I would recommend you educate yourself on that space as much as possible and when ready find a mentor who can help point you in the right direction so that one day you can take down your own apartment deals, and go from there. The other aspect of providing income to live on which you mentioned was one of your goals, through apartments is being a passive investor in syndication deals which would provide you a return on the money you invest which would provide passive income to you and if working with experienced operators in a deal you will also be able to learn on how these guys are doing what you want to do in the future which is be an active full time real estate investor. There are so many different directions you can go in Armando in terms of real estate investing and being able to do it full time and there will be a lot of people on here who can offer you really good advice. I hope this helps and if you have any questions feel free to reach out. 

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  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    Armando:

    One of the best real estate education and mentoring firms has a large office in your back yard.  Lifestyles Unlimited has offices in Houston, Austin, and Las Colinas in the DFW area.   

    My wife and I fly into DFW regularly to attend classes there.   We were there over the Labor Day weekend and are coming down again on the 22nd for their bus tour.   While many events are for members only, I believe the bus trip is open to the public, and they have at least one free event per month.

    Regarding your capital, you have more than enough to go directly into multi family which would allow you to build passive income faster.   I'd start with your cash and explore the retirement funds plan later.  There are plusses and minuses to both using a C corp and investing within a retirement fund.   

  • Ft Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    Thanks Greg Scott!  I will be in DFW on the 22nd and will look into Lifestyles Unlimited.  I have thought about multi-family as the best route.  I truly am a newbie and am learning about what is the best way to finance without using all my funds, including of course reading on these forums.

  • Accountant · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 87 posts · 33 votes
    9y

    @Armando Pastrana Jr Best of luck to you no matter what direction you decide to go.  Before, choosing a strategy, one of the best things you can do is to ask yourself who do you want to serve?  When you have a clear definition of the tenant base, you gain clarity on which strategies to pursue and can provide a better product to the market, which tends to improve one's odds of success. 

    For example, you mention that you have an interest in investing in multifamily property.  Multifamily properties can be utilized to provide low income housing or student housing among others.  These 2 tenant bases will have different characteristics, expectations as far as amenities, etc.  Furthermore, understanding the person that you want to serve will help you determine the best location of the property within a submarket and even help you to determine the most appropriate team members. 

    Feel free to reach out if you have any additional questions.

  • Multifamily Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 67 posts · 92 votes
    9y

    Hi @Armando Pastrana Jr welcome. So to answer a few o your questions one being no you’re not too old to do this there a lot of people in this business from as young as 18 up to 70 and beyond so you can definitely operate in this space. Second there are many different ways to get into real estate investing whether it be single family residences, buy and flip homes, buy and hold as rentals, invest in apartments as a passive investor or by being active lead sponsor which you mentioned you’d want to be active I’m focused on the apartment arena so I can give you my two cents on apartment syndication from a passive aspect and more active approach. So if you were to go the apartment route and you wanted to be active and do real estate full time you could be a lead sponsor but there’s a lot that goes into that but I would recommend you educate yourself on that space as much as possible and when ready find a mentor who can help point you in the right direction so that one day you can take down your own apartment deals, and go from there. The other aspect of providing income to live on which you mentioned was one of your goals, through apartments is being a passive investor in syndication deals which would provide you a return on the money you invest which would provide passive income to you and if working with experienced operators in a deal you will also be able to learn on how these guys are doing what you want to do in the future which is be an active full time real estate investor. There are so many different directions you can go in Armando in terms of real estate investing and being able to do it full time and there will be a lot of people on here who can offer you really good advice. I hope this helps and if you have any questions feel free to reach out. 

  • Ft Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    @Christopher Cousin Thanks for the advice.  It is a good point and one I had not settled on, at least not purposefully.  Interestingly the properties I do have we have students renting the units as they are all near universities so maybe I have subconsciously chosen a demographic.  I think I do have to give this some thought though as to whether I will purposefully continue to do so.  Thanks for the offer to reach out to you - I am sure I will take you up on it!

  • Ivan BarrattBusiness Member
    Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2015 · 764 posts · 953 votes
    9y

    @Armando Pastrana Jr happy to spend 30-45 minutes chatting. I started with one duplex and now own 1250 units (mostly larger apartment complexes.

    For now, I'd say keep your powder dry and get more education through some very specific books.

    Sound good? If so, connect here or email me.

    Ivan

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 933 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Armando,

    I would take a hard look at syndication to start out considering where you are in your career.  I can share some ideas w/you but start w/a little education below.  DFW is a great place for investing but technically, you can be anywhere investing in syndication because its ideal for folks w/high incomes or net worth, busy lifestyles that appreciate what real estate can do but don't have the time, knowledge or interest to actively manage it.  Additionally, syndications w/experts have an advantage in the current market climate IMO due to scale, access to deals, relationships and capital.  With intention, you can learn and start earning right away instead of risking a lot of money w/little experience.  I hate to say it but this is a much tougher environment now than in 2012 for newbies.  If you are young, so be it, lose money, dust off, at 50, can lose money but harder to make up w/time.

    Later, as you learn thru reading, attending local meetup groups, learning from BP forums, etc you may want to do some active REI if that is your passion. I'm just thinking where you are now and wanting to have your money start working for you creating passive income, working w/experts is a great way to start.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/53820-why...

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/53959-vet...

  • Investor · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2014 · 59 posts · 51 votes
    9y

    Armando, first I want to say congrats and welcome to the investing world...good for you! 

    Second, I'll have to agree with the others that your education is key. However, try not to fall into the common trap of over educating/analyzing. Remember, education leads to action!

    Third, you can do what we did and find a mentor and join a local investing group. These people help you grow through education, support, eventually JV with you, etc. We joined a group called, Think Multifamily. It's ran by a couple named Mark and Tami Kenney out of Dallas. They own about 1900 units and are down to earth. You could reach out to them or I could help connect you, if you like. They actually have a two-day training event in Oct that focuses on apartment investing and syndication...my wife and I are attending, so hopefully we'll see you there!

  • Ft Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    @Chibuzor NnajiThanks for the welcome and advice.  As you mention, I am on the path to quickly educating myself.  I will take your advice and seek out opportunities where I can learn actively in a deal from others.

  • Ft Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    @Ivan Barratt Wow! Amazing.  Would love to hear your story.  I will reach out to you privately.

  • Ft Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    @David ThompsonThanks.  That is sound advice and I will heed it.  After making the decision to invest in real estate more actively, I am of course chomping at the bit to do so, but I hear you.  I do not know much about syndication--thanks for the links.

  • Ft Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    @Elijah Vo  Thanks Elijah--I will definitely look into that event and will take you up on your offer to meet.  

  • Investor · Panama City Beach, FL · Member since 2015 · 22 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    Reach out to Benetrends for information about ROBs. They specialize in that. 

    Congratulations and Good Luck!

    Bryan

  • Ft Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 13 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    Thanks, Bryan Crow.  I am looking into ROBs, though maybe not going that direction if I can help it.

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