New to the forum, hoping to get started with a multi-family

New to the forum, hoping to get started with a multi-family

Member since 2025 · 4 posts · 0 votes

Hey everyone.  Happy to have found this great resource.  My wife and I bought a duplex in the city of Syracuse back in 2012, and sold it about 7 years later.  Those 7 years were cash positive, but we just weren't making enough cash flow to make it worth the trouble.  Before we sold it we hired a management company to reduce the burden, but even then we decided to sell and walk away.  I also probably wasn't as educated as I should have made myself, so I'm sure there were decisions that could have been handled better.

Part of the reason I wasn't willing to deal with the hassles was because I had 3 young kids.  My kids are a bit older now and it would be more realistic to be able to allocate the necessary time to being a landlord.  The appeal of having a second source of income is very appealing and I would like to be able to build wealth outside of my W2 job.  We decided that we would like to look at getting back into real estate which is why I'm here.  I think a multi family (2-4) units would again probably be the right type.  I've been listening to a lot of the podcast episodes and have been doing some reading as well.

I'm very happy to get general input and advice, but I also have a few specific questions.

- I've read about A, B, C, and D class properties.  I know cash flow is harder with A, and I don't want to deal with the headaches of D.  Where / How can I learn what neighborhoods in Syracuse and the surrounding neighborhoods would fall into those (subjective) categories?

- I've read about the strategies of looking for cash flow vs building equity.  Cash flow seems like the obvious one but I'm struggling with the concept of building equity at expense of cash flow.  From what I've read, focusing on equity building would look like building equity in the first property, then once you have some equity built up you can do something like a refi with a cash out, or using the equity as collateral, to put money towards another property, and so on.  But it feels like if you keep cashing out equity on your properties to buy another, you end up with multiple properties but with your equity stretched really thin, like a house of cards ready to collapse.  Can someone illustrate what I'm missing?

- This ties into the previous question a bit, but we have around $70k that we could be comfortable deploying into this if we find the right deal.  What % of purchase price is smart to put as a down payment?  What % is typically required these days?  What would be a smart strategy to put an amount like this into action?  How much should I consider the impact to the higher interest rates of today?


Look forward to learning from you all.

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Jaycee GreenePro Member
Real Estate Consultant · St. Louis MSA · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 727 votes
1y
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Most likely the suburbs surrounding Syracuse, NY.  I'm a little hesitant to get into the city of Syracuse.  Even though interest rates are high, we have a big Mircron plant coming here as part of the CHIPS act so that could boost housing demand in the coming years.


I don't know the SYR market, but I did a quick search for duplexes somewhat outside of the city, and found this: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7300-Lakes.... The description states the property is "ready for rehab and development". For my clients, this SCREAMS of building equity, provided the ARVs would support the rehab. My clients can "force appreciate" the value of the property by doing a quality rehab for a lower than market cost because they are very good at spotting "diamonds in the rough".

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  • Jaycee GreenePro Member
    Real Estate Consultant · St. Louis MSA · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 727 votes
    1y

    Hey @Evan Haas, welcome to the BP Forum! What type of properties are you looking to add to your portfolio to "get back in the game"? SF, 2-4 MF, or 5+ MF? Are you looking for turn-key properties or something along the lines of a "fixer upper"?

  • Member since 2025 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    1y

    I'm focusing on 2-4 MF properties, but if the numbers worked for 5+ when I'm open to that too, I just am assuming I don't have the capital yet to go in that direction.  I'm fairly handy, but just to balance things with my 9-5 job, focusing on something that just needs superficial updates or something nearly turn-key is probably best.

  • Jaycee GreenePro Member
    Real Estate Consultant · St. Louis MSA · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 727 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Evan Haas:

    I'm focusing on 2-4 MF properties, but if the numbers worked for 5+ when I'm open to that too, I just am assuming I don't have the capital yet to go in that direction.  I'm fairly handy, but just to balance things with my 9-5 job, focusing on something that just needs superficial updates or something nearly turn-key is probably best.


     Great. Where are you looking, what city/neighborhood/county?

  • Member since 2025 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    1y

    Most likely the suburbs surrounding Syracuse, NY.  I'm a little hesitant to get into the city of Syracuse.  Even though interest rates are high, we have a big Mircron plant coming here as part of the CHIPS act so that could boost housing demand in the coming years.

  • Jaycee GreenePro Member
    Real Estate Consultant · St. Louis MSA · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 727 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Evan Haas:

    Most likely the suburbs surrounding Syracuse, NY.  I'm a little hesitant to get into the city of Syracuse.  Even though interest rates are high, we have a big Mircron plant coming here as part of the CHIPS act so that could boost housing demand in the coming years.


    I don't know the SYR market, but I did a quick search for duplexes somewhat outside of the city, and found this: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7300-Lakes.... The description states the property is "ready for rehab and development". For my clients, this SCREAMS of building equity, provided the ARVs would support the rehab. My clients can "force appreciate" the value of the property by doing a quality rehab for a lower than market cost because they are very good at spotting "diamonds in the rough".

  • Member since 2025 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    1y

    I think that one is probably a little rougher than I would be looking for.  But before I even get into identifying specific properties, I need to first get smarter about some of the other things I put in my post.

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2025 · 21 posts · 5 votes
    1y

    Hello Evan! Happy you joined the party.. how soon do you plan to start crunching numbers on a potential deal?

  • Jaycee GreenePro Member
    Real Estate Consultant · St. Louis MSA · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 727 votes
    1y
    Quote from @Evan Haas:

    I think that one is probably a little rougher than I would be looking for.  But before I even get into identifying specific properties, I need to first get smarter about some of the other things I put in my post.

     Hey @Evan Haas! We ALL need to get a little smarter...everyday! ;-) Good luck and the forum is always here to help you answer your questions/provide suggestions.

  • Stephen SchmittBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Liverpool, NY · Member since 2019 · 111 posts · 72 votes
    1y

    Hello Evan, I have helped a number of Bigger Pockets investors build their portfolios in Syracuse and surrounding areas. I have my own properties throughout the area, and have worked with many contractors, PMs, lenders, insurers and attorneys that I can recommend. I’d love to help if you’d like!

  • Julio GonzalezPro Member
    Specialist · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    Welcome to the community, Evan! You’ve gained valuable experience from your first duplex and are now approaching real estate with a strategic mindset

  • Memphis, TN · Member since 2023 · 100 posts · 24 votes
    1y

    @Evan Haas Welcome to BP! You're right to think critically about this. Leveraging equity does involve some risk, so it's important to have a sound strategy to avoid overextending yourself. Using equity can be a smart way to expand your portfolio, but it doesn't have to mean over-leveraging or creating unnecessary risk. It's about finding the right balance between stability and growth. 


    If leveraging equity feels too risky, you might consider using a portion of the equity to fund your next property while keeping reserves intact. This way, you’re still growing your portfolio without overextending.

    Looking forward to hearing more about your journey. Best of luck! 

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