Lawsuit Part II: Negligence versus gross negligence

Lawsuit Part II: Negligence versus gross negligence

Collin HaysBusiness Member
Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes

This is worth five minutes of your reading time.

If you have a liability claim at your vacation rental, the claimant is alleging negligence on your part and asserting that you are then liable for damages as a result. Liability claims typically arise as a result of property damage, human injury, or human death. Claims come in all shapes and sizes, and a myriad of circumstances. A lot of homeowners like to play lawyer and think they can avoid any liability by having an all-inclusive disclaimer and rental contract. That doesn't fly.

About four years ago, we had a "slip and fall" claim at a client's property. An elderly woman claimed to have slipped on some stairs climbing onto the porch, which caused her to fall and sustain a compound fracture of her leg. Both my management company and the homeowner were sued. I never felt that the claim against either of us was a valid one, but my opinion didn't make any difference: Someone was suing us for damage and seeking a significant amount of money, and both we and our homeowner client had to cooperate fully with the insurance company.

The insurance company zeroed in on the condition of the stairs and railings. Were any of the stairs rotting? No. Were the railings solid and secure? Yes. Were any of the stair treads uneven? No. There was, however, moss/algae growing on two of the stair treads which made them slippery when wet. And it rains a lot in the Smokies. Were we negligent not to notice the algae and remove it? The insurance company said yes. In the end, our insurance, combined with the homeowner's policy, paid out $240,000 to the claimant.

But a much greater problem could have arisen if the insurance company concluded that we were guilty of GROSS NEGLIGENCE. This is a biggie for STR investors: Depending on the state, gross negligence claims are eligible for not only actual damages but "punitive" or "exemplary" damages of up to four times actual damages. These damages are intended to punish the defendant for egregious or malicious behavior. Worst of all, insurance companies are often not required to pay in the event of gross negligence, leaving the homeowner to pay the damages.

So what is "Egregious or malicious behavior"? The bar is lower than you might think. Gross negligence means:

  • An act taken without exercising even the most basic amount of care owed to others.
  • A deliberate disregard for the safety or well-being of another person.
  • A lack of care that demonstrates reckless disregard for the safety or lives of others.
  • A conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm.

In other words, if there are potential hazards that exist at your property that you are ignoring, you could be considered grossly negligent. You could also be considered grossly negligent if you are failing to continuously inspect and monitor the safety of your property. Here is how to avoid GROSS NEGLIGENCE:

1. Inspect your property regularly, or have it inspected professionally, and document these with checklists and signature stamps.

2. Do not defer repairs if a potentially dangerous situation arises.

3. When you have a claim, the less said, the better. Help the claimant with an immediate need - finding medical care, etc. But otherwise, keep your mouth shut.

4. Contact your insurance company, connect them with the claimant, and get out of the way. Your actions/reactions may well serve to hurt your case.

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Michael BaumPro Member
Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
2y

Thanks for the info. This is something I have been preaching in more basic detail. The gross negligence thing is very interesting. I found this on an attorney's website. Some case law quotes on how to determine what constitutes "gross".

  • “Gross negligence is the twilight zone which exists somewhere between ordinary negligence and intentional injury.”

    -Pleasant v. Johnson, 325 S.E.2d 244 (N.C. 1985)

  • “Gross negligence represents an extreme departure from the standards of ordinary care to the extent that the danger was either known to the defendant or so obvious that the defendant must have been aware of it.”

    -Saltz v. First Frontier, L.P., 782 F. Supp. 2d 61, 75 (S.D.N.Y. 2010)

  • “Gross negligence is the failure to use even slight care.”

    -Spence v. Vaught, 367 S.W.2d 238, 240 (Ark. 1963)

  • “Gross negligence is the want of that diligence which even careless men are accustomed to exercise.”

    -Ambrose v. New Orleans Police Dep’t. Ambulance Serv., 639 So.2d 216, 219-20 (La.1994)

  • “Gross negligence is very great negligence, or the absence of slight diligence, or the want of even scant care. It amounts to indifference to present legal duty and to utter forgetfulness of legal obligations so far as other persons may be affected. It is a heedless and palpable violation of legal duty respecting the rights of others.”

    -Corrigan v. Clark, 36 A.2d 631, 632 (N.H. 1944)

So based on those quotes, your scenario @Collin Hays wouldn't constitute gross negligence. Frankly, if we changed it to a step breaking due to rot might not be considered gross. If the step looked good on a cursory inspection and was reported as such, gross might not work.

Of course if there are obviously rotten deck boards, steps and railings, then any kind of injury could be classified as gross negligence. The whole system was neglected leading to the injury.

Another point, these laws vary by state. There are different levels. It was an interesting read.

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  • Stuart UdisPro Member
    Attorney · Philadelphia · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y

    @Collin Hays Helpful post for many on these forums to read. Most fail to appreciate insurance coverage typically only covers negligence and any act that exceeds negligence is treated as an exclusion. In fact, in some instances even negligence will only lead to a carrier covering legal representation under their reservation of rights and will not cover any settlement or jury award. It is very fact pattern and venue specific.  Usually a plaintiffs attorney recognizes this and will seek out a negligence claim as opposed to a gross negligence claim (even if the fact pattern supports such a claim). Ultimately the defendant's insurance carrier's cooperation is how the plaintiff and the attorney will be compensated as a judgment or settlement without insurance proceeds is usually worth as much as the paper its drafted on. This is why it is important to make sure your day to day operations are run properly and every vendor who performs work at your property and /or on behalf of you is properly insured and you are added as additional insured under their policy (not merely a certificate holder). 

    There are two other insurance points that real estate investors should be mindful of:

    1. It is also important to understand the standard of care that vendors owe you in indemnification clauses. This could mean a vendor to owner relationship or a sub contractor to vendor  relationship. This was widely discussed on these forums recently and the example that was shared represented that the Property Manager would indemnify the owner only in the event of gross negligence. Well, that effectively means there will never be an action on behalf of the property manager that will result in their insurance coverage protecting the owner. Therefore the appropriate standard of care should have been negligence. 

    2. It is equally as important to know what your vendors insurance does and does not cover. Many fail to realize vendors will carry commercial general liability coverage and workers compensation (if they have employees), but many do not carry professional liability/E&O coverage. CGL coverage will cover property damage, personal injury and bodily injury but not many other issues that often arise, particularly during construction.

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    2y

    Great punts!

    Also don't thing that half A$$ LLC you created will protect you personally from something like this.

  • Collin HaysBusiness Member
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    Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Stuart Udis:

    @Collin Hays Helpful post for many on these forums to read. Most fail to appreciate insurance coverage typically only covers negligence and any act that exceeds negligence is treated as an exclusion. In fact, in some instances even negligence will only lead to a carrier covering legal representation under their reservation of rights and will not cover any settlement or jury award. It is very fact pattern and venue specific.  Usually a plaintiffs attorney recognizes this and will seek out a negligence claim as opposed to a gross negligence claim (even if the fact pattern supports such a claim). Ultimately the defendant's insurance carrier's cooperation is how the plaintiff and the attorney will be compensated as a judgment or settlement without insurance proceeds is usually worth as much as the paper its drafted on. This is why it is important to make sure your day to day operations are run properly and every vendor who performs work at your property and /or on behalf of you is properly insured and you are added as additional insured under their policy (not merely a certificate holder). 

    There are two other insurance points that real estate investors should be mindful of:

    1. It is also important to understand the standard of care that vendors owe you in indemnification clauses. This could mean a vendor to owner relationship or a sub contractor to vendor  relationship. This was widely discussed on these forums recently and the example that was shared represented that the Property Manager would indemnify the owner only in the event of gross negligence. Well, that effectively means there will never be an action on behalf of the property manager that will result in their insurance coverage protecting the owner. Therefore the appropriate standard of care should have been negligence. 

    2. It is equally as important to know what your vendors insurance does and does not cover. Many fail to realize vendors will carry commercial general liability coverage and workers compensation (if they have employees), but many do not carry professional liability/E&O coverage. CGL coverage will cover property damage, personal injury and bodily injury but not many other issues that often arise, particularly during construction.


     Stuart, really good information from someone that knows!  Thank you!

  • Investor · Bucks County · Member since 2023 · 196 posts · 157 votes
    2y

    This is gold. Thanks Collin and Stuart for valuable insight.

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    2y

    Thanks for the info. This is something I have been preaching in more basic detail. The gross negligence thing is very interesting. I found this on an attorney's website. Some case law quotes on how to determine what constitutes "gross".

    • “Gross negligence is the twilight zone which exists somewhere between ordinary negligence and intentional injury.”

      -Pleasant v. Johnson, 325 S.E.2d 244 (N.C. 1985)

    • “Gross negligence represents an extreme departure from the standards of ordinary care to the extent that the danger was either known to the defendant or so obvious that the defendant must have been aware of it.”

      -Saltz v. First Frontier, L.P., 782 F. Supp. 2d 61, 75 (S.D.N.Y. 2010)

    • “Gross negligence is the failure to use even slight care.”

      -Spence v. Vaught, 367 S.W.2d 238, 240 (Ark. 1963)

    • “Gross negligence is the want of that diligence which even careless men are accustomed to exercise.”

      -Ambrose v. New Orleans Police Dep’t. Ambulance Serv., 639 So.2d 216, 219-20 (La.1994)

    • “Gross negligence is very great negligence, or the absence of slight diligence, or the want of even scant care. It amounts to indifference to present legal duty and to utter forgetfulness of legal obligations so far as other persons may be affected. It is a heedless and palpable violation of legal duty respecting the rights of others.”

      -Corrigan v. Clark, 36 A.2d 631, 632 (N.H. 1944)

    So based on those quotes, your scenario @Collin Hays wouldn't constitute gross negligence. Frankly, if we changed it to a step breaking due to rot might not be considered gross. If the step looked good on a cursory inspection and was reported as such, gross might not work.

    Of course if there are obviously rotten deck boards, steps and railings, then any kind of injury could be classified as gross negligence. The whole system was neglected leading to the injury.

    Another point, these laws vary by state. There are different levels. It was an interesting read.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Collin Hays:

    This is worth five minutes of your reading time.

    If you have a liability claim at your vacation rental, the claimant is alleging negligence on your part and asserting that you are then liable for damages as a result. Liability claims typically arise as a result of property damage, human injury, or human death. Claims come in all shapes and sizes, and a myriad of circumstances. A lot of homeowners like to play lawyer and think they can avoid any liability by having an all-inclusive disclaimer and rental contract. That doesn't fly.

    About four years ago, we had a "slip and fall" claim at a client's property. An elderly woman claimed to have slipped on some stairs climbing onto the porch, which caused her to fall and sustain a compound fracture of her leg. Both my management company and the homeowner were sued. I never felt that the claim against either of us was a valid one, but my opinion didn't make any difference: Someone was suing us for damage and seeking a significant amount of money, and both we and our homeowner client had to cooperate fully with the insurance company.

    The insurance company zeroed in on the condition of the stairs and railings. Were any of the stairs rotting? No. Were the railings solid and secure? Yes. Were any of the stair treads uneven? No. There was, however, moss/algae growing on two of the stair treads which made them slippery when wet. And it rains a lot in the Smokies. Were we negligent not to notice the algae and remove it? The insurance company said yes. In the end, our insurance, combined with the homeowner's policy, paid out $240,000 to the claimant.

    But a much greater problem could have arisen if the insurance company concluded that we were guilty of GROSS NEGLIGENCE. This is a biggie for STR investors: Depending on the state, gross negligence claims are eligible for not only actual damages but "punitive" or "exemplary" damages of up to four times actual damages. These damages are intended to punish the defendant for egregious or malicious behavior. Worst of all, insurance companies are often not required to pay in the event of gross negligence, leaving the homeowner to pay the damages.

    So what is "Egregious or malicious behavior"? The bar is lower than you might think. Gross negligence means:

    • An act taken without exercising even the most basic amount of care owed to others.
    • A deliberate disregard for the safety or well-being of another person.
    • A lack of care that demonstrates reckless disregard for the safety or lives of others.
    • A conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm.

    In other words, if there are potential hazards that exist at your property that you are ignoring, you could be considered grossly negligent. You could also be considered grossly negligent if you are failing to continuously inspect and monitor the safety of your property. Here is how to avoid GROSS NEGLIGENCE:

    1. Inspect your property regularly, or have it inspected professionally, and document these with checklists and signature stamps.

    2. Do not defer repairs if a potentially dangerous situation arises.

    3. When you have a claim, the less said, the better. Help the claimant with an immediate need - finding medical care, etc. But otherwise, keep your mouth shut.

    4. Contact your insurance company, connect them with the claimant, and get out of the way. Your actions/reactions may well serve to hurt your case.


    I dont think folks realize how slippery decks and stairs can be with little organic growth on them and being wet.. get it here in the Northwest big time and those areas can be slip at snoooot.

  • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    The negligence thing has always been interesting to me because it seems so subjective...

    Gross negligence seems a more straight forward - rare to no inspections, known issues, complete ignorance of potential issues/lack of due diligence (ie: fence around pool w/ locked gate) etc. I think it makes sense this can be overcome with regular maintenance, easy communication where a tenant can report issues, having a inspection checklist, and potentially warning tenants of hazardous areas in their lease agreement

    Negligence on the other hand - how many inspections do we need a year? One? Two? It depends? Are warning/signs enough to indicate potentially hazardous slips/trips/falls? Is the tenant or guest responsible for watching where they walk? 

    If you put a mat down to soak up water and the mat slips and the tenant falls is that your fault? What if you just make the mat available and the tenant puts it down, and still manages to slip and fall? What if you don't have a mat and the tenant slips and falls? Would it be more their responsibility if you had a sign up indicating the floor may be slippery when wet? 

    So many questions and so many subjective answers...

    OP - what did you do going forward? Obviously you can't prevent the morning dew on wood steps...the steps are still going to be slippery regardless. Algae prevention - possibly. What was the deciding factor on removing the algae? I guess it takes several weeks to grow, so they said you didn't maintain the steps properly when you knew someone would be on them? How will you prevent this from happening again?

    The last wood deck I did we had some paint that had little pieces of sand in it to prevent tenants from slipping on the stairs and deck. Wonder what it would be considered if they slipped...?

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Jeremy Horton:

    The negligence thing has always been interesting to me because it seems so subjective...

    Gross negligence seems a more straight forward - rare to no inspections, known issues, complete ignorance of potential issues/lack of due diligence (ie: fence around pool w/ locked gate) etc. I think it makes sense this can be overcome with regular maintenance, easy communication where a tenant can report issues, having a inspection checklist, and potentially warning tenants of hazardous areas in their lease agreement

    Negligence on the other hand - how many inspections do we need a year? One? Two? It depends? Are warning/signs enough to indicate potentially hazardous slips/trips/falls? Is the tenant or guest responsible for watching where they walk? 

    If you put a mat down to soak up water and the mat slips and the tenant falls is that your fault? What if you just make the mat available and the tenant puts it down, and still manages to slip and fall? What if you don't have a mat and the tenant slips and falls? Would it be more their responsibility if you had a sign up indicating the floor may be slippery when wet? 

    So many questions and so many subjective answers...

    OP - what did you do going forward? Obviously you can't prevent the morning dew on wood steps...the steps are still going to be slippery regardless. Algae prevention - possibly. What was the deciding factor on removing the algae? I guess it takes several weeks to grow, so they said you didn't maintain the steps properly when you knew someone would be on them? How will you prevent this from happening again?

    The last wood deck I did we had some paint that had little pieces of sand in it to prevent tenants from slipping on the stairs and deck. Wonder what it would be considered if they slipped...?


     I agree. I speak to many attorneys and when we review contracts and indemnification certain clauses like gross negligence vs. negligence come up. Gross negligence is extremely hard to prove compared to negligence and as Stuart mentioned, most go for negligence because it typically will get the $ due to insurance coverage. This is why it is also important to have a PM and indemnities against gross negligence because if they never visit the property etc. to check on condition or follow the terms of the agreement, then that is not something you would want to defend.

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  • Michael SmytheBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Metro Detroit · Member since 2023 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y

    So many cheap owners won't let their PMCs address many repairs - then throw their PMC under the bus when there's a lawsuit!

    @Collin Hays curious as to what "company insurance" you're referring to that contributed to the settlement? Are you referencing a master liability policy your company adds managed properties to?

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  • Collin HaysBusiness Member
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    Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Jeremy Horton:

    The negligence thing has always been interesting to me because it seems so subjective...

    Gross negligence seems a more straight forward - rare to no inspections, known issues, complete ignorance of potential issues/lack of due diligence (ie: fence around pool w/ locked gate) etc. I think it makes sense this can be overcome with regular maintenance, easy communication where a tenant can report issues, having a inspection checklist, and potentially warning tenants of hazardous areas in their lease agreement

    Negligence on the other hand - how many inspections do we need a year? One? Two? It depends? Are warning/signs enough to indicate potentially hazardous slips/trips/falls? Is the tenant or guest responsible for watching where they walk? 

    If you put a mat down to soak up water and the mat slips and the tenant falls is that your fault? What if you just make the mat available and the tenant puts it down, and still manages to slip and fall? What if you don't have a mat and the tenant slips and falls? Would it be more their responsibility if you had a sign up indicating the floor may be slippery when wet? 

    So many questions and so many subjective answers...

    OP - what did you do going forward? Obviously you can't prevent the morning dew on wood steps...the steps are still going to be slippery regardless. Algae prevention - possibly. What was the deciding factor on removing the algae? I guess it takes several weeks to grow, so they said you didn't maintain the steps properly when you knew someone would be on them? How will you prevent this from happening again?

    The last wood deck I did we had some paint that had little pieces of sand in it to prevent tenants from slipping on the stairs and deck. Wonder what it would be considered if they slipped...?


     Good question.  We installed tread tape on the stairs. It has a sand paper-like feel and you can cut it to size. It is available at the large home improvement stores.

  • Collin HaysBusiness Member
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    Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Michael Smythe:

    So many cheap owners won't let their PMCs address many repairs - then throw their PMC under the bus when there's a lawsuit!

    @Collin Hays curious as to what "company insurance" you're referring to that contributed to the settlement? Are you referencing a master liability policy your company adds managed properties to?


     Our company carries liability insurance. One benefit to having a property manager is that you are a bit more shielded from a lawsuit, particularly for negligence or gross negligence, since you are paying another party to look after your property.

  • Michael SmytheBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Metro Detroit · Member since 2023 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y

    @Collin Hays Yes, I figured that. but what format & type of liability insurance?

    That's why I asked if it's a master policy controlled by your PMC that your company adds managed properties to. 

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  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y

    @Collin HaysYou are not shielded by a property manager if you sign some of the indemnification agreements I have seen although there are another set of eyes on the property.  People do like to sue even when the cause of the injury is tenant lack of care and insurance companies like to settle. 

    @Jeremy Horton that sand additive is also a good thing to do on smooth concrete slabs that are likely to get wet. Think kids with wet feet running from the pool to the house. 

  • Sarah KensingerPro Member
    Real Estate Consultant · OH · Member since 2023 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    This is why I highly suggest hosts check into the info Justin Ford has, and the educational videos and course he provides. A host won't miss a thing with everything he covers! But then again, he's not a popular person on this forum, of which I have yet to figure out.

  • Andrew SteffensBusiness Member
    Tampa, FL · Member since 2022 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    2y

    As a PMC we have had to cut ties with owners who were engaging in gross negligent behavior.  Once example an "investor" who did not want to fix/replace windows at a beach house nailed them shut.  Even worse one of the rooms where the windows were nailed shut was a theoretical kids room with 2 bunk bed sets.  Once we were aware of this and the owner refused to properly remedy the issue we had to cut the property, we actually cut the client and his 6 other listings.

  • Jerry W.Pro Member
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    Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y

    One thing sure to get you extra damages is a "known hazard"  Get a few complaints about something like a slippery deck, then don't address it and see how high your damages go.  Remember that  3Million$ judgement for Hot Coffee trial against McDonalds?  That was the 3rd or 4th person severely burned and they did nothing to address it.  That judgement did eventually get reduced by a judge, but ignoring a safety complaint is a great way to go from negligence to gross negligence.

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