Should I sell, cash-out refinance & rent or just leave as is?

Should I sell, cash-out refinance & rent or just leave as is?

New to Real Estate · Dallas, TX · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 2 votes

Hello All!

Fair new here but would appreciate any insight or advice!

I was previously in the Army and bought a brand new single family home in El Paso, TX using my VA loan in 2012 for $146k. I moved back to PA because this is where I'm from so I left it rent it out (landlording from afar). I put solar panels on the home so now its should valued at about $200k.

Here's what the numbers look like currently:

Mortgage balance: $94,948

15 year fixed mortgage at 2.5% (6 years in, 9 left to go)

Interest: $197.75 monthly

Principal: $776.58 monthly

Escrow: $536.95 monthly

Total Monthly: $1,511.28 (tenants are paying only $1,000 but I told them $1,600 or get out so they're leaving on Oct. 1)

Taxes: $5,268.10 yearly

Insurance: $1,002.15 yearly

If Renting:

Property management company says I can get a tenant for $1,500 to $1,600 a month (one suggested starting at $1,700 due to little-to-no electricity bill).

They take one months fee to set-up place a tenant in, 10% every month to collect rent, and $40 fee per maintenance coordination.

Refinancing offers:

I have 3 offers so far and working on more, all are 30 year fixed/conventional. Since this a cash-out refinance on an investment property and I'm also not in the state of Texas many lenders won't even touch this and the closing cost are high with higher interest rates. The cash back is pending on what my house appraises at, which could be $190K to $210K.

Summary:

All 30 year fixedOffer 1:Offer 2:Offer 3:
Interest Rate4.254.3754.875
Total Closing Cost$103,734$108,913.33$106,790
Base Loan Amount$150,000$150,000$157,500
Cash To Borrower$46,266$41,870$50,710
New Monthly Payment$1,275$1,285$1,327
LTV75%75%75%
Estimated Home Value$200,000$200,000$210,000

Offer 1:

Rate: 4.250%

Loan Cost/Closing Fees: $8,816.24

  • Loan Cost: $8,775
  • Initial Escrow Payment at Closing (Taxes & Prepaids): $3,273.15

Loan Amount: $150,000

Discount Point: $2,917.50

Cash-back: $46,265.76 (home estimated at 200k)

New Monthly: $1,274.58.16 ($833.50 for Principal and $494 for taxes & insurance)

Offer 2:

Rate: 4.375%

Loan Cost/Closing Fees: $13,995.33

Loan Amount: $150,000

Discount Point: $2,062.50

Cash-back: $41,879.02 (home estimated at 200k)

New Monthly: $1,285.88 ($748.93 for Principal and $536.95 for taxes & insurance)

Offer 3:

Rate: 4.875%

Loan Cost/Closing Fees: $11,872.00

  • Loan Cost: $9,000.88
  • Initial Escrow Payment at Closing (Taxes & Prepaids): $3,248

Loan Amount: $157,500

Origination fee/2.125% of Loan Amount (Points): $3,346.88

Cash-back: $50,709.90 (home estimated at 210k)

New Monthly: $1,327.16 ($833.50 for Principal and $494 for taxes & insurance)

Other:

I'm leaning towards option 1 because of the better rate, lower closing cost and lower monthly. Lender 2 doesn't want to give me what the numbers look like with a $200K estimated value so its hard compare apples to apples.

Why:

  • 1. I want to re-establish my VA entitlement (allows me to put ZERO money down on a property).
  • 2. I want some cash flow, my monthly right now if bleeding me out.
  • 3. I can use this cash to use on another investment property either as down payment (my not be necessary because of the VA loan) or used to refurbish.
  • 4. Overall, I'm trying to get into BRRRR real estate investing. I'm currently looking at a 4-unit multifamily so I can live in one and rent out the rest. I need to live in one in order to get the ZERO money down deal.
  • 5. Maybe selling is the best route to go but I think waiting until Spring would be best to get the highest selling price. I also didn't want to pay capital gains taxes on it.

Let me you what you all think! Thank you in advance!!

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  • Kyle MccawBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Keller, TX · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Joan S. these rates and fees look high to me. You should talk to @Andrew Postell. He is a lender that specializes in rental properties. He may be able to advise a little about your VA options. He does a lot of those also.

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  • Realtor · Nashville TN Long Beach, CA · Member since 2018 · 20 posts · 21 votes
    5y

    Hey Joan,

    I hope you're doing well.

    Have you looked into just doing a refinance into a 30year conventional? Perhaps this will give you the best amount of leverage and maybe you'll get better rates, while cash flowing more.  Unfortunately, I'm not a lender, so those are my thoughts. 

    Let me know what you think.

  • New to Real Estate · Dallas, TX · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    @Kyle Mccaw thank you for the reply! I sent Andrew a message and hopefully he can let me know if this makes sense. It looks like he works for Guaranteed Rate, which was actually Offer #2, they had the highest closing cost. The lender I was working with wasn't budging on the lowering neither the rates or the closing costs unfortunately.

    @Ryder Cotton, I appreciate the reply! I hope you are doing well too. I'll ask the lenders about doing a straight refinance into 30 year conventional loan. These are quotes are for 30 year conventional loans but with a cash out. I thought the point of refinancing with a BRRRR strategy was to extract the equity that was in property to the use on the next investment? I'm new to this so I'm not sure either :). Thank you for the insight!

  • Rental Property Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2013 · 629 posts · 339 votes
    5y

    You don't need to maximize the cash out. If you took $30K cash out would that be enough for your next purchase? Then your cash flow from the smaller loan would be a little better if you wanted to keep it as a rental. Better to have a little bigger VA loan balance with a lower interest rate than borrow more cash at over 4% from this property. just my opinion.

  • New to Real Estate · Dallas, TX · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    Hi @Eddie Flores

    Thank you! Yes that rate was heaven sent. I did noticed the higher rates on the cash-out refinance, and its a huge turn off but I figured being able to tap the equity in the home would be worth it. Thank you so much for the insight on the solar panels, I had no idea there don't add value (I do own them outright). Its kind of unfortunate, in hindsight I probably would not have purchased them. I did get a CMA from my realtor and she estimated that the house could realistically sell for $195K. I'm going in October to refurbish with new flooring, paint and maybe some new kitchen countertops so I'm hoping that should conservatively put me at $200k in home value. You are correct that the closing cost include the escrow which pay the taxes due soon but I also get what's currently in escrow with my lender refunded back to me so its the same difference.

    Hi @Tanya F.,

    Thank you for the message! This is actually a really great point and I didn't think about this too much. I just figured if I'm going pay this much in closing cost I might as well extract as much as I can. Granted, yes, the closing cost is partially dependent on the amount of the loan but its a small part since most of the title/recording fees are a set amount regardless of the amount of the loan. Also, I was shopping around some more and I found a lender who is giving me a 3.65% with just $4k in closing cost. So I'm super happy about that! :D

  • Investor · El Paso, TX · Member since 2021 · 19 posts · 23 votes
    5y

    Hi Joan, 

    I'm actually in a very similar situation and looking into my options of cash out refinance. I came to the forums searching for similar questions and happy to come across one that is in the same city I'm looking to refinance my rental property. If you would not mind sharing the lender information you find. Thanks for any information in advance. 

  • Member since 2021 · 1 post · 0 votes
    4y

    Hi Crystal and Joan. 

    I'm also in El Paso and found the thread because I'm thinking through very similar options. We bought our house in Central EP 2.5 years ago with a zero-down 4.25% 30 year loan and if we decide to rent, we definitely want to take advantage of the current lower rates by doing a rate and term refi. However, I've also been reading about BRRRR investing and I'm considering the idea of doing some property improvements and doing a cash-out refinance, but I've heard that some lenders aren't doing those loans in Texas now because of the fear that the prices are on a bubble that might burst, which makes me think perhaps we could just reconsider selling in the next six months when we're ready to leave, if the theoretical bubble is still around. However, I'm curious if either of you have found willing lenders to work with you on cash-out refinancing at the moment or is that a thing of the past, at the moment?

    Good luck with everything.

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