Just Cause Eviction but did not state reason in notice

Just Cause Eviction but did not state reason in notice

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I am a landlord in California. I recently had a new tenant that stated that a person was going to stay with them for a couple of weeks to help them move in.  However when that time past, and I asked when the guest was leaving, the tenant said that the guest was going to stay a couple of months. I told the tenant that I did not agree to making the guest an additional tenant.  In response the tenant said that she was going to vacate by the end of the month but then stated she was not giving legal notice to end the tenancy. I told her that she needed to give legal notice in writing which she refused to do so I gave her 30 day notice to make intentions clear for all concerned.  She still moved out by by month end but prior to the expiration of the 30 day notice. I returned her security deposit minus the rent for the remainder of the 30 day term. 

This was in April 2021 so it was during the current eviction moratorium.  I thought I was in the right to give a 30 day notice at that time (because it was prior to one year of tenancy) but apparently that legislation changed. Apparently a landlord cannot give a "No Cause" notice even before 1 year now. So she has now sent me a demand letter for $3000.00 for alleged violation of the Eviction moratorium and numerous other codes.  After some research I now realize that I did not state a "Just Cause" reason in the 30 day notice and I should have given the 3day notice to cure, etcetera instead. 

If we end up in court will the judge see that this is in fact a "Just Cause" eviction based upon our correspondence and evidence and that I simply made a procedural error in not submitting the proper notice? Or am guilty or liable simply based on the fact that I did not use the proper notice during the eviction moratorium?  If I am "guilty/liable" is there penalties for this or is the notice simply considered defective? 

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. 

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  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    5y

    If she gave notice, why is she complaining about an eviction?  30 days is 30 days, so I don't see where she can complain.  She signed the lease.  Remind her that she signed the lease and it stated XXX day's notice and what the penalty was for breaking the lease early.  Then stop communicating with her.

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    5y

    It's California, so anything is possible.

    Although you didn't state the reason for the notice of termination in the letter, you did tell her the reason for the notice verbally. Is there any chance she acknowledged that in writing by email, text, or something? That would certainly help your case..

    My recommendation is to always wait and see. Don't respond to her letter or even acknowledge receiving it. At least 99% of legal action threats are just that: threats. People do this with big corporations all the time. They're hoping you'll get scared and offer to buy them off for $1,000 instead of paying $2,000 for an attorney to defend you in court where you could possibly lose even more.

    I wouldn't fall for it.

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  • Member since 2021 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    Nathan - yes I communicated with her via email in which she acknowledged that I was giving her notice because she violated the guest policy. She offered more rent but I turned it down. Just wanted them out since they lied. The main reason I was concerned about how this would be handled in court is because the demand letter is from her son in law whom is a landlord tenant attorney. (I know I was an idiot to rent to her). So I am concerned that he might try to claim some legal technicality concerning the eviction moratorium etc. One of the things they’re saying in the demand letter is that I violated code 1950.5 for security deposits. Do you think they could claim that since my notice was defective that I shouldn’t have been able to deduct rent for the remainder of the 30 day period? They’re claiming they could get double damages. Also claiming harassment, retaliation, and several other things all with no basis. I think they’re just mad that I didn’t go along with their lies and manipulation. So they’re throwing everything but the kitchen sink at me to see what might stick and to scare me. I’ll take your advise and wait and see. Btw they occupied the unit for a total of 20 days and yet they’re able to basically harass me continuously with this garbage. Thank you fir your reply. 

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Siobhan Loftus:

    Nathan - yes I communicated with her via email in which she acknowledged that I was giving her notice because she violated the guest policy. She offered more rent but I turned it down. Just wanted them out since they lied. The main reason I was concerned about how this would be handled in court is because the demand letter is from her son in law whom is a landlord tenant attorney. (I know I was an idiot to rent to her). So I am concerned that he might try to claim some legal technicality concerning the eviction moratorium etc. One of the things they’re saying in the demand letter is that I violated code 1950.5 for security deposits. Do you think they could claim that since my notice was defective that I shouldn’t have been able to deduct rent for the remainder of the 30 day period? They’re claiming they could get double damages. Also claiming harassment, retaliation, and several other things all with no basis. I think they’re just mad that I didn’t go along with their lies and manipulation. So they’re throwing everything but the kitchen sink at me to see what might stick and to scare me. I’ll take your advise and wait and see. Btw they occupied the unit for a total of 20 days and yet they’re able to basically harass me continuously with this garbage. Thank you fir your reply. 

    I once rented to an attorney that was regularly late on rent. I literally filed for eviction four times in one year and he managed to make payment and stop the eviction. The first time I filed, he wrote me a long letter demanding that I demonstrate my authority and a bunch of other nonsense. It sounded very official, was full of legal jargon, cited specific case law, etc. I told him he could comply with our agreement or he could use his $5 legal jargon to sway the court. He paid.

    If you feel it's a legitimate threat, hire an attorney and let them protect you.

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  • Member since 2021 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    5y

    Yes, I am hoping it’s a bunch of BS which I think it is. Thanks so much for your input! 

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