How to deal with property management company disappearing?

How to deal with property management company disappearing?

Rental Property Investor · Bellevue, WA · Member since 2017 · 26 posts · 4 votes

I have a few properties in Indiana and one property near Kansas City, MO.


I've owned them for a few years now. I bought all of these through turnkey companies that do the rehab and also do property management, and I hold on to them long term.

Recently, over the past few months, the PM for my Kansas City property has been communicating less and less. They failed to fill a vacancy over the past few months, were not responding to most of my communications, and recently they went offline (their site is offline, and their email domain is also offline, emails bounce back).

I have never even seen this property in person.( I hired my own trusted inspector when I made the purchase -- which gave me the confidence to purchase) -- but now I feel a little lost in this current situation.

What are my options at this point? Find a new PM? I will have to re-read the PM agreement I have on file with them to see what my outs are. I admit I did not consider this scenario (ghosting me) when I made the purchase.

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Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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I recommend you start by searching for a new property manager immediately. Explain the situation to them and they may be able to help you figure out a way to deal with the current property manager. Read through your property management agreement and have it available to answer any questions.

You may consider contacting the state governing board to report your property manager for failing to communicate. They will reach out to the responsible broker and that should be enough to spook them into communicating with you. 

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  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2018 · 117 posts · 46 votes
    5y

    @James Wierzba I would move to the next and hopefully you have access to the lease agreement :) sorry to hear that! I'm a KC landlord if I can help in anyway.

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    5y

    As you mentioned, read the contract and follow the termination process even if they are not responding (written cancellation, etc.).  Have someone or your new PM inspect and secure the property asap, address the utilities, and ensure no busted pipes from the cold.  You or your prior resident may be owed a security deposit as well.

    Failing to fill a vacancy for a few months in a TK property may wipe out profits for a couple of years.

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    5y

    I recommend you start by searching for a new property manager immediately. Explain the situation to them and they may be able to help you figure out a way to deal with the current property manager. Read through your property management agreement and have it available to answer any questions.

    You may consider contacting the state governing board to report your property manager for failing to communicate. They will reach out to the responsible broker and that should be enough to spook them into communicating with you. 

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  • Mark AinleyBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Roselle, IL (Chicago Suburb) · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @James Wierzba Couple things I would do if I was you here.  I would first put my notice in to cancel current management...that might just get their attention and maybe they might course correct but if not it sets you up for an out as needed.  If you want to share with me your PMA I am happy to advise you on approach.

    Second, find a new PM ASAP this week.  I am sure there are plenty of well recommended PMs here on BP or check out NARPM.com...have this ready to go.  Your new PM or potential new PM can even do some potential research for you or may know more about your current PM based on street level info.  They can even do a property walk too and verify the vacancy you have.

    There is a handful of next steps you can do here but you must be sure to not do nothing.  Get a new PM lined up today/tomorrow so you are prepared.  As the new PM in many cases like this in Chicago I see owners like yourself wait months and it only costs them more in the end.

  • Tracy StreichPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Tulsa- OKC Oklahoma · Member since 2017 · 868 posts · 801 votes
    5y

    Give notice of termination via email right now.   Even if it bounces back that is their problem.   Contact a few PMs in the that area.   The professional PM community is not that big, they may know what has happened.   Get someone else working on this today, you or another PM.   You need to contact the tenant befor the 1st so they don't pay the old PM.  You may never see that money. 

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y

    @James WierzbaThey are not ignoring you, they just ran with the money! My guess is the owner started to see that they are not profitable and cleared out the operating account.

    Most PM's know each other, see if you can make local contact and find out what happened. I would consider legal steps - outside of the security deposit, how much do they owe you?

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    5y

    @James Wierzba step 1 is to hire a New property manager. You have a vacant property and presumable no keys To said property.

    Is there any old rent money with your old PM?

    After you do step 1, I highly recommend you go see this property in person.

  • Property Manager · Bonita Springs · Member since 2020 · 32 posts · 16 votes
    5y

    Hi, James! If I were you, I would take these steps. First, I would read again the terms of the property management agreement and seek the advice of an attorney in the Kansas City, MO area. Then, I would look for another property management company. Google property managers in Kansas City, Mo and select someone who has received glowing reviews. I think it's necessary for you to change your property manager since the current one is refusing to communicate with you. If you need a recommendation for a property manager in that area, please reply to me directly and I will get you one. Good luck!

  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    If you need a new PM I can send a few. That's frustrating, seems like they ditched and ran.

  • Crystal SmithPro Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @James Wierzba:

    I have a few properties in Indiana and one property near Kansas City, MO.


    I've owned them for a few years now. I bought all of these through turnkey companies that do the rehab and also do property management, and I hold on to them long term.

    Recently, over the past few months, the PM for my Kansas City property has been communicating less and less. They failed to fill a vacancy over the past few months, were not responding to most of my communications, and recently they went offline (their site is offline, and their email domain is also offline, emails bounce back).

    I have never even seen this property in person.( I hired my own trusted inspector when I made the purchase -- which gave me the confidence to purchase) -- but now I feel a little lost in this current situation.

    What are my options at this point? Find a new PM? I will have to re-read the PM agreement I have on file with them to see what my outs are. I admit I did not consider this scenario (ghosting me) when I made the purchase.

    There's only one option- Find a new PM. It really doesn't matter what your PM agreement says. Your first responsibility is to protect your asset. Once your asset is protected then go after the previous PM.

  • Specialist · Easton, PA · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    @James Wierzba

    First step is to visit your property. You have no idea what you have, in what condition, squatters, whatever.

    For me, this is reason #7643 why I’d never own a property I couldn’t get to by car within an hour.

  • Mike D'ArrigoPro Member
    Turn key provider · San Jose, CA · Member since 2010 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    @James Wierzba Sorry to hear that. That's really strange. We have a good property manager. DM me and I will send you their contact info. 

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    5y

    Find a new PMC ASAP to protect your investments and then you can start chasing & holding the old one accountable.

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