Skip to content
×
Try PRO Free Today!
BiggerPockets Pro offers you a comprehensive suite of tools and resources
Market and Deal Finder Tools
Deal Analysis Calculators
Property Management Software
Exclusive discounts to Home Depot, RentRedi, and more
$0
7 days free
$828/yr or $69/mo when billed monthly.
$390/yr or $32.5/mo when billed annually.
7 days free. Cancel anytime.
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here

Join Over 3 Million Real Estate Investors

Create a free BiggerPockets account to comment, participate, and connect with over 3 million real estate investors.
Use your real name
By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.
The community here is like my own little personal real estate army that I can depend upon to help me through ANY problems I come across.
General Landlording & Rental Properties
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

Updated almost 6 years ago on . Most recent reply

User Stats

14
Posts
0
Votes
Bryce Nerland
  • Tallahassee, FL
0
Votes |
14
Posts

Why don’t rent prices boom along with property prices?

Bryce Nerland
  • Tallahassee, FL
Posted

I bought my first property in 2013. I paid $65k for a townhouse and rented it for $780 at the time. This was an average deal bought off of the MLS in a C neighborhood.

Today, the price to purchase the same property would be $85-90k. The rent on the other hand only increased from $780 to $840. I am confident the townhouse has rented at market value both then and now.

In the 6 years that I have owned it, the property value saw a 35%-40% increase while the rent only went up by 7.5%. My other properties have followed a similar trajectory.

I am wondering why rent rates do not seem to follow the pace of property value increases. Have increased rent rates historically trailed property value increases? I struggle to understand the dynamics of the the real estate market.

Most Popular Reply

User Stats

1,836
Posts
1,376
Votes
Frank Chin
  • Investor
  • Bayside, NY
1,376
Votes |
1,836
Posts
Frank Chin
  • Investor
  • Bayside, NY
Replied

It's the law of supply and demand.

There is the supply and demand for real estate, and a separate one for rentals. I bought a property in foreclosure, sold at auction for $200K in 1993. Market price is $325K. The 3BR/2ba unit at the time rents for $1,700, and the 2BR/1ba unit rents for $650.00. It was at the bottom of the market crash to buy real estate, and demand was slow. 

But that does not mean people aren't looking for rentals? In 1993, there are still plenty of people looking to rent, in fact more, as people are nervous about buying real estate in a crash. So the supply and demand is separate for the purchase and sale of real estate, and the demand to rent is actually higher.

Fast forward to 2019. The property appreciated to $1.275 million. The 3BR/2Ba unit would rent at $2,700 and up, though I occupy it. The 2BR/1ba unit now rents for $1,700, which is what my tenant is paying. The rents have doubled from 1993, market valued quadrupled, and compared to what I paid for it, sextupled from auction prices.

OK, prices quadrupled, and rents doubled. Can I rent the apartment in question for $3,400? No, that would be twice the market. Why is the property $1.275 million? It's a combination of foreign money, mainly from Asia, where buyers pay cash in a hot area. So the GRM has greatly gone up. In cash flow real estate areas, this would be a big deal. In areas where folks pay 100% cash, who cares what the GRM is, if they know, or care to know what it is.

When I started investing in real estate in the early 80's, I bought properties with a GRM of 6 or below. Now, I'm looking at 15 to 20 if I'm in the market to buy.

An investor, who teaches real state courses at NYU invests heavily in Westchester county whereas his real estate office is in NYC where he handles leasing for his family real estate business. Ask why Westchester? His answer "Crazy people from overseas are grabbing properties in NYC, throwing cash at it left and right, but not yet in Westchester". Someone raised his hands and asks "why?". His short answer "they haven't heard of Westchester yet in Hong Kong, or Shanghai". Then he added "maybe someday, they will."

Loading replies...