Skip to content
×
Try PRO Free Today!
BiggerPockets Pro offers you a comprehensive suite of tools and resources
Market and Deal Finder Tools
Deal Analysis Calculators
Property Management Software
Exclusive discounts to Home Depot, RentRedi, and more
$0
7 days free
$828/yr or $69/mo when billed monthly.
$390/yr or $32.5/mo when billed annually.
7 days free. Cancel anytime.
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here

Join Over 3 Million Real Estate Investors

Create a free BiggerPockets account to comment, participate, and connect with over 3 million real estate investors.
Use your real name
By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.
The community here is like my own little personal real estate army that I can depend upon to help me through ANY problems I come across.
General Landlording & Rental Properties
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

Updated almost 7 years ago on . Most recent reply

User Stats

152
Posts
117
Votes
Jonathan Dempsey
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Pocono Pines, PA
117
Votes |
152
Posts

Utilities included? Furnished? Pros and cons

Jonathan Dempsey
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Pocono Pines, PA
Posted
When house hacking or just renting in general, what are the pros and cons of including utilities? Also, same question but with furnishing
  • Jonathan Dempsey
business profile image
HomeSmart Realty Advisors
3.7 stars
9 Reviews

Most Popular Reply

User Stats

1,836
Posts
1,376
Votes
Frank Chin
  • Investor
  • Bayside, NY
1,376
Votes |
1,836
Posts
Frank Chin
  • Investor
  • Bayside, NY
Replied

There are several considerations.

1. Is this the general practice in the area. If rentals in the area includes utilities and your's is the only one that doesn't, it would make yours harder to rent.

2. Depends on whether the utility is on a separate meter. If not, if by percentage, you can have a paranoid tenant watching everything you do and drive you crazy. I know this, I work with one guy that watches how many home cooked meals his landlord makes, how many visitors he has which he prepare meals for. Then he counts how many takeout meals he eats. He concludes the landlord uses 90% of the cooking gas at yet charges him 50%. The cooking gas was only $30.00 a month for the whole house. He complains to the landlord every month and to me a couple of times a week. So I ask him, if your landlord charges $770 a month for rent, instead of $750 and gas, would he go for the $770. He said he would if that's the way it's rented. 

3. This is not to mention allocating the bills, going after the tenants is a total PITA. I got a SFR that tenant pays for water. Originally, had the water bill put in the tenants name and they pay direct. Didn't realize they never paid it, paid them the deposit back on move out. Then I found out months later the municipal utility transfers unpaid water bills to your tax bill with fines and penalties. Now I get the bill, pay it, scan an email a copy to the tenant. Problem is the current tenant is constantly paying late on the rent, and I have to chase him separately for the water, and usually, the excuse is I can't find it, give me another copy.

All in all, my rentals in NYC includes all utilities and all built into the rent, much simpler. Outside of NYC, it's not, so I see both sides.

Loading replies...