Do you balance customer service with enforcement?

Do you balance customer service with enforcement?

Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

We've all read the thread 'Tenant applicants say the dumbest things'. Stay in the business long enough and you come across some real "winners" as they say.

So how do you balance being polite and being an enforcer so to speak? For example, I've had some real inept tenants that try to tell me the sink is leaking under the cabinet and that water is everywhere. When I ask for a pic, they say there is nothing to take a pic of. After much back and forth coaxing them, the tenant finally sends me a pic and it becomes really clear why there is a leak and why they didn't want to send a pic; she replaced the faucet herself (against the lease, and bought a white faucet for a stainless sink...) and in the process didn't put it together right and caused a massive leak. To top it off, she lied and tried to get me to fix her mess at her expense.

You can imagine I was not a happy camper. Then there are people who try to claim that guy is not living here and that they didn't damage x y or z, despite there being pics before move in that clearly show it was not damaged (Date, time and gps stamped pics). Yet these winners always want to argue. When they get really argumentative I just give them notice since they are on a month to month. Usually I give them a warning first. But second strike I just ask them to move.

I ask because I came across a thread on another forum where the guy was complaining about the usual crap you deal with when dealing with tenants and tenant applicants. He was stating that he has gotten to the point where he just has to hang up on people, etc. An experience I've had myself a few times. 

So how do you balance service with enforcement? At a traditional business poor service would result in them eventually closing their doors. With rental real estate it seems there is more leeway for being a bit more aggressive in asserting how things are going to work. For example, that guy you claim is just your friend is clearly living here. I don't care if you claim he is not. Unless you can provide definitive proof otherwise, I decide you get fined per the lease or you move. 

I'm basically at the point where I start out nice, but when it becomes clear they are a liar and a person with below average intelligence and keep trying to push their agenda down my throat, I basically state here are the facts, they speak for themselves, there will not be any more debate and that if they wish to continue their tenancy they need to x, y and z. 

Being a landlord is a tad different than a traditional business, where the above would be considered poor service.

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Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2016 · 199 posts · 190 votes
9y

You might get better relationships with you tenants with less condescension.  They may not be your fiscal equal but they still don't deserve your arrogance.

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  • Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Yes being a landlord has many hats. Social Worker, Referee, Good Guy / Bad Guy, Private Eye, Accountant, Maintenance Guru, and business appointed lawyer..

    I honestly don't know how we cope with some of the jerks, and liars. 

    Hang up or let it go to voice mail... I think we've all done it and if not we probably will. 

    Our choice,, lease up or list for sale.. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Deanna McCormick:

    Yes being a landlord has many hats. Social Worker, Referee, Good Guy / Bad Guy, Private Eye, Accountant, Maintenance Guru, and business appointed lawyer..

    I honestly don't know how we cope with some of the jerks, and liars. 

    Hang up or let it go to voice mail... I think we've all done it and if not we probably will. 

    Our choice,, lease up or list for sale.. 

    Yeah, frankly I have no issue telling people to take their nonsense elsewhere. I've had four room mates show up and try to argue with me about every little thing during a tour. Just constantly combative. Mind you I pay more in income tax on W2 than all of them combined grossed, but they still wanted to argue because the unconsciously incompetent don't know they are incompetent. I told them when they own millions in real estate and are a millionaire like me, I'll do things their way, but when you are so broke that you have to live as four grown adults in a single house, you're not the beacon of success and critical thinking so we will do it my way.

    In other cases I've also just opened the door and gestured for them to exit when they tell me that if I want to know if their dog is a pit-bull (they claimed the don't know the dogs breed but pic looks exactly like a pit-bull) I would have to pay to get it tested (this after I said only small dogs of 15 lbs or less at the top and bottom of the listing, and emailed them about it before the tour yet they still show up to tell me they have a 40 lb pit.

    I just told her no thanks, walked up to the door, opened it and waited for her to get out.

    I think with intellectually challenged people you sometimes have to be stern and lead them.

    I think I'm just going to ask problematic people to leave early on. In my experience when they exhibit issues once early on, there will be many more issues down the road. Without exception to date.

  • Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2016 · 199 posts · 190 votes
    9y

    You might get better relationships with you tenants with less condescension.  They may not be your fiscal equal but they still don't deserve your arrogance.

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    9y

    I basically give back whatever they give me, same tone, same attitude.

    Stupid is the most difficult to deal with but it still comes down to the same thing ....how they treat me is how I treat them.

    Lie to me once and I assume every time you open your mouth it will be a lie.

    Nice tenants find that I am often the best landlord they have ever had. That includes about 90% of my tenants. The rest learn quickly that they were mistaken in believing they could do and say what ever they wish. They quickly realise how big of a mistake they have made. 

    Generally tenants are pretty good and simply need to be managed on a individual bases.

  • Kim Meredith HamptonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · St Petersburg · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Jack B. I think you're doing great. Unfortunately, we have a lot of unscrupulous liars who take advantage of everything. In addition, they also believe that we all owe them something, and will yell attorney at the drop of a hat! I live what I do and have been doing it for over 25 years, but there are THOSE days when you just can't be "beige" and sugar coat it. If you give them an inch, they will take ten miles!!!! Keep on doing what your doing, we will all have a nice retirement!!

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Anthony Hurlburt:

    You might get better relationships with you tenants with less condescension.  They may not be your fiscal equal but they still don't deserve your arrogance.

    OK, your advice is that the self made millionaire at a young age, takes the lead of his prospective tenants, etc. and follows their advice that they try to force upon me with comments like (that's a dumb rule, or why is that like that, I'm not going to do that, etc.). When someone can afford to buy millions of real estate and become a millionaire, they can tell me what to do. When they can't afford to do anything but rent a room in a house with several other people, they are not the beacon of success and not someone I'm going to take advice from or waste my time listening to their ridiculous arguments and idiocy.

    I doubt you even own any rentals. If you did like the others who have posted, you would understand.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Thomas S.:

    I basically give back whatever they give me, same tone, same attitude.

    Stupid is the most difficult to deal with but it still comes down to the same thing ....how they treat me is how I treat them.

    Lie to me once and I assume every time you open your mouth it will be a lie.

    Nice tenants find that I am often the best landlord they have ever had. That includes about 90% of my tenants. The rest learn quickly that they were mistaken in believing they could do and say what ever they wish. They quickly realise how big of a mistake they have made. 

    Generally tenants are pretty good and simply need to be managed on a individual bases.

     That's basically true for me as well. The vast majority of my tenants have been an absolute pleasure. They got their full deposits back, etc. I gave them gifts for the holidays, etc. 

    Then there are the low income people who are low income because they have low intelligence and it shows when you talk to them and listen to their demands and their illogical reasoning. When they start to try to argue with me and boss me around I politely try to correct them but if they keep it up I do it a bit more forcefully so they get the hint. I don't take advice from people who can't afford anything other than renting a room in a house with a group of people, when I own millions in real estate. And I was born with every disadvantage imaginable in life, no family money here. I made it because I have superior critical thinking skills. Only a fool would listen to broke tenants who can't even figure out that the water heater is already lit, by merely looking down to see the flame or turning the hot water faucet on....

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    9y

    I believe the stupid people in North America are actually breeding at a higher rate than the more intelligent. I blame this on government financial support programs. Eventually the overall IQ levels will drop drastically.  

    If stupid was painful the world would be a much better place. 

    I am a believer in euthanasia and would step up to take on the responsibility of putting  them out of their misery.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Chicago Suburbs, IL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 594 votes
    9y

    @Thomas S. have you seen the movie Idiocracy?  What you described is what happens in the movie. Cult hit in Mensa circles.

  • Mindy JensenPro Member
    BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y

    @Kimberly H. , it's so close that it's difficult to watch. A glimpse of the future for sure.

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