Taxes: Rehab without receipts from contractor

Taxes: Rehab without receipts from contractor

Flipper/Rehabber · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2017 · 130 posts · 72 votes

Hey all,

I recently began my first flip project as an out of state investor. I was able to vet out a project manager/coordinator group that manages all aspects of the rehab especially for remote investors.  They have several contractors locally they've built repoire with over the years, so this company manages the contractors for the clients.  I have had a great experience with them thus far and they have come highly recommended through various sources. I am not here to speak poorly about them, but if anything my issue may just have been a direct result of my own ignorance. 

The situation is, as I prepare to have my first tax strategy planning call with my newly hired cpa/tax strategist, the thought hit me that I should probably be keeping track of all the rehab costs receipts - this led me to ask my project manager if receipts would be available from the contractor at the end of the rehab peocsss. He informed me that this is not common practice, and that bc the contractors are purchasing all the materials technically, they will not save receipt so for me. My contention was that at the end of the day, it's through my loan with my HML that they will receive full reimbursement for the materials upon draw requests being approved - it seems to me I am still the one who ultimately pays for everything.

Two questions:

1.) am I wrong to assume this?

2.) if I am correct in my assumption, let's set aside for now the suggestion of just demanding from my project manager that they need to force the contractor save all the receipts for me, bc I don't see that likely to go well for anyone involved. Having said this - is there another legitimate way I could keep valid track of all my rehab expenses for tax purposes? I keep track of all costs via excel, and obviously I have documentation of all Draw disbursements as well as the original HML document with rehab cost documented.

Would appreciate any kind of input - I'm just learning as I go, and I obviously have much to learn. Thank you for your help!

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Josh C.Pro Member
Property Manager · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
9y
Yes you are wrong to assume this. It's unheard of and an accounting pain for a contractor. Maybe buying certain appliances or something is reasonable, but everything is over bearing. You need to 1099 everyone you pay over $600, but if they perform the work it's of no concern if they bought paint or beer with their money. You paid them not Home Depot. Just ask them to break out certain items that need capitalized versus expensed. My opinion anyway.
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  • Josh C.Pro Member
    Property Manager · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Yes you are wrong to assume this. It's unheard of and an accounting pain for a contractor. Maybe buying certain appliances or something is reasonable, but everything is over bearing. You need to 1099 everyone you pay over $600, but if they perform the work it's of no concern if they bought paint or beer with their money. You paid them not Home Depot. Just ask them to break out certain items that need capitalized versus expensed. My opinion anyway.
  • Flipper/Rehabber · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2017 · 130 posts · 72 votes
    9y

    @Josh C. Thank you for your input. Like I said, it was most likely just my own ignorance and lack of experience in general that got me into this place of being caught off guard. So you are just confirming that which is good for me to know.  I am actually in discussions with another project manager who's contractor will in fact save receipts to give to the client at the end of the process, so therein lies some of my confusion on top of my own lack of experience. Thanks again for your input. 

  • Carl FischerPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Ambler, PA · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Tae C.

    Your checks/draws and contracts with the 1099s should suffice for the accountant as well. The accountant will tell you what to get in the future. 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Knoxville, TN · Member since 2017 · 130 posts · 72 votes
    9y

    @Carl Fischer

    Thank you for your response, that's exactly what I was trying to understand. 

  • Investor · Pawleys Island, SC · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 837 votes
    9y

    @Tae C.,

    The large, final bill you get from the project management group is your receipt for the tax man.  The final project cost is added to your cost basis for computing the cost of goods sold when you complete your flip.  Nothing is expensed on your tax return, so the suggestion that you break out repairs from improvements is not really applicable for flips.

    Consult your CPA for more specific guidance on what records you need to maintain for your flip activity to include exact and detailed instructions for tracking your mileage.

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