Strategies For Managing Tax-Advantaged "Buckets" Versus Cash

Strategies For Managing Tax-Advantaged "Buckets" Versus Cash

Investor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2010 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes

I am assuming many folks on the forum take advantage of tax-advantaged accounts and thus they have to manage what "buckets" to fund when trying to grow their money. Defined contribution plans are pretty popular for this. I know there are different contribution limits based on whether or not you use SEP, SoloK, IRA, Roth IRA, etc. I was hoping folks could share their thoughts on how they manage where to stash dollars.

The Roth can be coupled with a SoloK plan. You can also use a traditional IRA type plan inside of a SoloK. You can also just discard the tax-advantaged accounts altogether and pay the tax. So broadly-speaking there are three types of "buckets" for money to be accumulated in:

1.  Regular cash

2. Regular IRA

3. Roth IRA

You can also convert item 2 to item 3 by laddering.  You can also take regular periodic distributions pre-retirement-age.

For many folks on this forum it seems like the way to maximize after-tax income is to bypass items 2 and 3 altogether so they can invest their money actively in projects that yield a lot more than what you can get passively in someone else's projects, vehicles, etc.  For instance, if you can make 40% or more on a flip or development project with the use of leverage that will yield more net-of-tax income and thus seems superior to even putting money in the tax-advantaged accounts if you could make, say, 18% - 25% on a syndicated offering passively.  

A lot of this discussion also centers around how active you want to be.  You can get more yield investing actively, but it requires work.  Thus it probably makes sense to fund some of the tax-advantaged accounts if you wish to make your money work instead of you working. 

Any thoughts on this?  How do you balance what to fund and in what quantity?  

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  • Professional · Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Bryan Hancock 

    Don't forget about the Rollover as Business Startup or ROBS 401k arrangement which allows the entrepreneur to finance his or her real estate operating company. As a result, he can or she can draw a fair salary and grow the the 401k at the same time.

  • Investor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2010 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    11y

    Any thoughts on this folks?  

  • Daniel DietzPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Reedsburg, WI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 857 votes
    11y

    Hello,

    I was hoping to hear more hear too, as I am just starting my Real Estate experience and need to learn from those more knowledgeable than me!

    My little bit of input is this; most of my assets are in ROTH  and Traditional IRAs vs Liquid Cash, so SDIRAs are the way to go for me.

    I do have a little more than half in ROTH SDIRA and the other half in Traditional, and am thinking I'll likely keep it this way. Part of my thought is that it gives me options of mixing non-taxable ROTH withdrawals with either current income or withdrawals from Traditional IRAs to manage staying within a particular tax bracket come retirement time. 

    The ROTH also gives me the option of NEVER withdrawing funds if I dont need those, vs the mandatory withdrawals in a Traditional IRA.

    Dan Dietz

  • Brian EastmanPro Member
    Self Directed IRA & 401k Advisor · Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Bryan Hancock

    The real answer is that there is no single answer.  Every investor's situation is unique, and the mix of available capital of both qualified retirement and non-qualified types, employment type and income, investing expertise, age, and goals will be just a few of the factors that one would need to consider when designing a strategy.

    A fee based certified financial planner would be the best resource for making strategic decisions.  Of course, finding such a professional with expertise in real estate is a little challenging, but they are out there.

    Most successful investors use multiple strategies, but that may not be an option for some based on their available capital, age, etc.

    If I were to choose 100 of my clients at random, we'd probably see 40+ different approaches to income and investing allocation across after-tax and qualified funds.

  • Investor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2010 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    11y

    Bump to see if anyone else has ideas/opinions.  

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